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£1430/mo would be something like £70 a day. You could have a person working full-time at your home for that price.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 04:32:49 PM EST
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You could get a couple of other families together, hire a building, hire some staff, start your own nursery, and turn a profit.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 04:38:14 PM EST
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Need to look at the regulations of being a "Child Care Center" -- or whatever it is called in the UK.  BUT, I'm thinking, if you called it "babysitting" it's possible to get around 'em all.

In law the label defines the reality.  ;-)

by ATinNM on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:11:52 PM EST
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The UK government has a perverse way to use common law to encroach on everything. It seems like the principle is that, if something can be construed as something else covered by the law, then it is covered. Hence
A childminder is self-employed and has to be registered with the appropriate Government regulatory bodies. When registered, a childminder is checked for references, training, police record and health, and their home is inspected to make sure it's a safe and suitable environment for children.

After registration, a childminder is checked every one to three years to ensure they're continuing to provide a safe and suitable service.

All childminders in England and Wales (although not yet in Scotland and Northern Ireland) are required to complete a basic registration course, including first aid training. They may also have other childcare qualifications (eg, an NVQ in Early Years Care and Education, a vocational qualification at Level 3).



En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:18:23 PM EST
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There was a recent case in the UK that hit the news of two police officers who would look after each other's children after school whilst the other was at work.

Somebody reported them and ofsted launched an investigation and told them they were no longer allowed to do this.  This was because it was an arrangement where they were 'rewarded' ie by having their child looked after in return for looking after the other child, and because it amounted to over a maximum limit of hours per year. Absolutely ridiculous.

The Education Minister has since clarified that such arrangements can take place once the legislation is amended but it does show you how highly regulated childcare is.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:19:18 PM EST
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Actually, all of that ISN'T a bad idea.  The thought of what would happen in an unregulated and free market is enough to put me off my Corn Flakes® for a week.  The problem is when the people doing the regulating are mindless authoritarian jerks, inflecting causeless and needless "oversight" and "intervention" to feed their power hunger, Dominance fantasies, & so forth.
by ATinNM on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:35:06 PM EST
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Oops.  Supposed to be a reply to Migeru, above.
by ATinNM on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:36:42 PM EST
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But still, a valid point in relation to my comment which demonstrates the idiocy of overzealous inspectors.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:47:42 PM EST
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It's authoritarian make-work. Set yourself as a baby-sitter, and the police will break your dooor down. Report a burglary or a car break-in, and you'll be met with shrugs.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 06:01:50 PM EST
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My first reaction was "some could but I couldn't".
For instance, I disagreed with the salary of my cleaner (who comes via a company), and pay her more, because at 6,65£ an hour for her I felt she couldn't live decently in London.

Which means she'd cost me more than that, and that's without the required qualifications for looking after babies.

Then I thought that full time has the advantage of not needing to travel, which is something my cleaner needs to do. So maybe the difference wouldn't be so great, even though it would definitely cost more than that. Which means that if we could find another baby, it would be cheaper than the nursery.

I guess we'll try that. Although we reckon it's better to have more interactions, if the difference in price is big enough we'll probably try that, for the first year at any rate. Need to find that baby now.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Tue Dec 15th, 2009 at 03:31:10 AM EST
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