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The quotes indicate that a couple of mostly-gutless little shits filling token positions doled out to half-assed liberals in the government questioned what the government was doing.  Helen's point was, I think, clearly that no one of any consequence thoroughly questioned the decisions, let alone spoke out to the public before it was too late to tell them the government was full of shit.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Dec 15th, 2009 at 05:34:05 PM EST
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"mostly-gutless little shits" - Is this supposed to refer to Robin Cook ? It doesn't matter, it's the sort of comment what some people would call "mostly-gutless little shits" make in the comfort zone of places like this. I'm sure Helen appreciates this kind of support and the rewriting of her comment to give it some plausibility.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Wed Dec 16th, 2009 at 06:25:32 PM EST
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Oi.  The butthurt is strong with this one.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Dec 16th, 2009 at 06:52:20 PM EST
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"One thing that has been remarked on that no one should doubt was his political courage. In February 2003, when Robin first told me that he might have to quit the government over Iraq, I urged caution. We both agreed that the threat from Iraq had been grossly inflated and that Saddam was being effectively contained. But I said that the invading troops would probably unearth some rusting stockpiles of chemical weapons left over from the first Gulf war and that Blair would be able to claim vindication. His allies were already briefing that those who opposed the war would put themselves "on the wrong side of history".

Robin agreed with my assessment, but dismissed it as a consideration: "This war is wrong and I will oppose it in any case." Those who knew him well will agree that by putting his intellectual reputation on the line he risked losing something far dearer to him than his ministerial limousine. That was the true measure of his courage."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/aug/09/labour.uk1

In an attack on Hazel Blears, George Monbiot says:

"You are temporarily protected by the fact that the United Kingdom, unlike other states, has not yet incorporated the Nuremberg Principles into national law. If a future government does so, you and all those who remained in the cabinet on March 20th 2003 will be at risk of prosecution for what the Nuremberg Tribunal called "the supreme international crime"(9). This is defined as the "planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression"(10). Robin Cook - a man of genuine political courage - put his conscience ahead of his career and resigned. What did you do?"

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2009/02/10/you-stand-for-nothing-but-election/


Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Wed Dec 16th, 2009 at 07:01:10 PM EST
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Still not contradicting my points about he and others.  It actually nearly made one of mine for me, and that point of mine -- about anonymous quotes to the Guardian -- was a joke, for fuck's sake.  Who have you got who stood up before it was too late, who could've done something about it?

You can continue this little irrelevant-quote-fueled shitfit, but all you've done is restated your silly argument repeatedly.  The above amounts to nothing more than "Robin is the bestest-best-times-infinity."  You've got bits of what he was saying to the Guardian, from an article in 2005.  Yes, he's clearly a great guy behind closed doors.  Well, La. Di. Da.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Dec 19th, 2009 at 09:47:29 AM EST
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And you just keep denying the obvious; Cook was in government and clearly did more than just "question" the evidence, all I needed as counter-example to Helen's as usual over-generalisation. Now find something significant to snarl about.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Sat Dec 19th, 2009 at 11:53:41 AM EST
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