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LA Times Blog:  USC professor creates an entire alien language for Avatar

This modern era of moviemaking has plenty of peculiar challenges for actors -- on green-screen sets, for instance, they have to watch a ping-pong ball hanging from a string and convince the camera that they actually staring down some magical beastie -- but for the actors auditioning for "Avatar" the biggest challenge may have been reading a sheet of paper with words invented by a USC professor named Paul R. Frommer.

Frommer, a linguistics specialist, was brought in by "Avatar" writer-director James Cameron to create an entire functioning language for the tribe of 10-foot-tall blue aliens who inhabit Pandora, the setting for the film's conflict. Frommer tackled the project with glee -- "How often do you get an opportunity like this?" -- but the actors who had bend their tongues around the invented vocabulary and syntax were slightly less charmed by the experience.

(...)Frommer didn't start completely from scratch; Cameron had come up with about three dozen words of the Na'vi language at that point in his project document, which was like a quasi-script or a long treatment ("They called it a scriptment," Frommer said, "and that was a new word to me")  but most of the words  were character names.

(...)Frommer prepared three "sound palettes," which were collections of words and phrases that did not have meaning but did have the cadence and feel of languages. Cameron mulled over the sound files and picked the third as the best fit for the world he wanted to hear. He did not want tonal differences and variations in vowel length, for instance, but he loved the ejectives.

Then came the heavy lifting -- nailing down the sound system, word construction, the rule of syntax -- and Frommer immersed himself in the thousands of decisions required, many of them deciding what goes in and what goes out. The Na'vi language, for instance, does not have the sounds buh, duh, guh, chu, shu, and by restricting the sounds, Frommer said, a characteristic shape of the language begins to distinguish itself.



Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 02:59:45 AM EST
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I watched the movie (suckered in by the marketing I was). Was also a first for me in 3D movies. Pretty spectacular, but the story is clichéd throughout. A mix of Dances With Wolves and The Last Samurai on a foreign moon. There was one good science fiction idea in it, against all the anthropomorphisms.

Oh, and everyone knows armsuits (as beloved by Japanese manga) are unworkable in the real world because they would shake their human operators too much -- as one could feel watching the least realistic visuals of the film.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 04:26:50 AM EST
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A friend saw it the other night and said it completely ripped off an animated kid's movie called Fern Gully.

I'd like to see it, just for the spectacle.  I've never seen a 3D movie either, unless the Disney Captain Eo ride counts.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 04:54:47 AM EST
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This Ferngully?
FernGully: The Last Rainforest is an Australian animated feature produced by Kroyer Films, presented by FAI Films and released by 20th Century Fox on April 10, 1992. It was adapted from a book of the same name by Diana Young. It is a film with a strong environmental theme.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 05:05:52 AM EST
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I believe so.  I haven't seen it, but my friend saw it awhile ago with her kid and said the storyline is the same.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 05:33:57 AM EST
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According to Christopher Booker: Overcoming the Monster, Rags to Riches, The Quest, Voyage and Return, Comedy, Tragedy, and lastly, Rebirth.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 05:45:55 AM EST
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And, for your Yuletide entertainment, 20 logical fallacies:

  • Ad hominem
  • Ad ignorantiam
  • Argument from authority
  • Argument from final Consequences
  • Argument from Personal Incredulity
  • Confusing association with causation
  • Confusing currently unexplained with unexplainable
  • False Continuum
  • False Dichotomy
  • Inconsistency Applying criteria or rules to one belief, claim, argument, or position but not to others
  • The Moving Goalpost
  • Non-Sequitur
  • Post-hoc ergo propter hoc
  • Reductio ad absurdum
  • Slippery Slope
  • Straw Man
  • Special pleading, or ad-hoc reasoning
  • Tautology
  • Tu quoque
  • Unstated Major Premise


You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 05:54:09 AM EST
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So... you're implying my friend couldn't tell the difference between The Odyssey, Looking for Mr. Goodbar, and Where's Waldo?  

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 06:15:32 AM EST
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Of course, I must object. What a git.

In my world a plot is a sequence of events culminating in some objective of one or more protagonists, a teleology.

Strike Voyage and Return, Quest, Comedy (wtf?), Tragedy (wtf?). Voyage and Return and Quest are definitions of plot. Comedy and Tragedy are genres of plot, apposition.

The basic plots are three, death (Monster), Rags to Riches (Rebirth), Union.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 08:36:42 AM EST
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vinyl - jacket cover

re-mix

good times, good times...

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 09:45:06 AM EST
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I watched the movie (suckered in by the marketing I was).

DoDo, was that a conscious Yoda-ism?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 08:13:53 AM EST
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Yep.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 03:27:07 PM EST
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There were three excessively anthropomorphic details about the Na'vi:
  • All higher vertebrates seen on Pandora have two pairs of forelimbs - the Na'vi just two arms like humans.
  • All animals shown also have breathing orifices at the base of the neck - not so the Na'vi
  • I wouldn't expect the Na'vi to kiss when mating but join braids... - though I wonder whether showing that on screes would have counted as pornography...

Dances with Wolves and Last Samurai, indeed. But the movie was good entertainment. It did hold up my interest for the nearly 3 hours of the film. Like Titanic, it can be as bad as some critics make it to be if it is this long and not boring.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 05:50:54 PM EST
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