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France24 - Eurotunnel blames Eurostar over Channel shutdown

AFP - Eurotunnel on Friday accused Eurostar staff of not following safety rules when evacuating passengers from high speed trains that broke down in the tunnel under the Channel last weekend.

The tunnel operator strongly rejected suggestions that it contributed to the chaos when 2,000 passengers were trapped for a night in five trains that broke down in the tunnel between Britain and France on December 18.

"We have, here and there, been unjustly suspected of not acting as we should have done" after the breakdown, Eurotunnel said in a statement.

Eurotunnel said the time it took to evacuate the passengers "was unfortunately extended because the Eurostar teams, in complete violation of the safety procedures, asked passengers to take their bags with them."



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 25th, 2009 at 04:48:33 PM EST
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Fine, they weren't responsible for the developing world-style crisis management in the Chunnel.

But has anyone yet figured out what caused the breakdown in the first place?

La Chine dorme. Laisse la dormir. Quand la Chine s'éveillera, le monde tremblera.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 02:00:12 AM EST
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Does Neoliberalism cause developing-world--style crisis management?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 04:27:32 AM EST
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To be fair, finger-pointing would happen between separate departments of an integrated rail company, too.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 04:30:18 AM EST
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Nothing too specific comes out, but here is my vague theory based on what they say ("condensation on electronic equipment from melted snow"):

  1. snow stuck on the cooler filters on the way from Paris
  2. entering the tunnel, this snow melted
  3. the meltwater got sucked in by the ventillation of the engines
  4. the engines themselves are hot, enough to evaporate the meltwater
  5. somewhere around the ventilation exit, the vapours condensated on ice-cold structural elements
  6. water dripped into unprotected electronic equipment from there

Still, whatever the mechanism, there must have been a recent change to some component -- this didn't happen in 15 years here, nor in long tunnels on high-speed lines in Japan and Germany in 20-40 years.

I'll ask around when I'm back at the job.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 04:45:30 AM EST
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Always good to check comments in the (German-language) Drehscheibe Online Foren.

Only speculation there, but

  • multiple posters insist that a combination of extreme cold and misplaced electronics is enough for condensed, frozen and re-melted water to get to unprotected places (nothing complicated with the ventillation and not even snow is needed), it happened in the past in alpine tunnels;

  • the potential responsibility of Eurotunnel (in cooling the tunnels) came up, but it has been pointed out that Eurotunnel has seawater cooling;

  • one precedent for failures in extreme cold after more than a decaded of service was mentioned: out of a series of 26 Swiss locos built in 1946-48, 20 broke down in the winter of 1962/3, due to blown snow getting into places it shouldn't.


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by DoDo on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 05:30:09 AM EST
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