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Loi contre la Burqa : Copé crée la surprise - Politique - 22/12/2009 - leParisien.fr		Law against the burka : Copé's surprise - Politics - 22/12/2009 - leParisien.fr
Jean-François Copé a créé la surprise mardi en annonçant le dépôt, en janvier, d'une proposition de loi pour interdire la burqa dans l'espace public. Le patron des députés UMP, premier responsable politique à avoir réclamé dès juillet une loi d'interdiction, assortie d'une «phase préalable de médiation», envoie un signal fort en faisant cette annonce avant même que soient connues les conclusions de la mission parlementaire sur le port du voile islamique intégral.		Jean-Francois Copé has created the surprise Tuesday in announcing the filing, in January, of a bill to ban the burqa in public. The first politician to have called in July for a banning law accompanied by a "preliminary phase of mediation," the head of UMP representatives sent a strong signal in making the announcement even before the results are known of the parliamentary mission on wearing full Islamic veil.
Concrètement, la proposition de loi UMP portera sur le maintien de l'ordre public en stipulant qu'aucune personne, hors circonstances exceptionnelles (climat, carnaval...), ne peut évoluer dans l'espace public - formule plus large encore que les «lieux publics» - le visage entièrement recouvert. Pour éviter les risques d'inconstitutionnalité en apparaissant discriminatoire, elle ne sera donc pas un texte portant exclusivement sur une interdiction du port du voile intégral, mais l'inclura de fait.		Specifically, the UMP bill will apply to the maintenance of public order stipulating that no person, except under exceptional circumstances (climate, carnival ...), may appear in the public space - an even broader term than "public places" - with their face completely covered. To avoid the risk of unconstitutionality by appearing discriminatory, the bill will not be a text exclusively applying exclusively to a ban on wearing the full veil, but will include it de facto.
Copé rappelé à l'ordre par le président de l'Assemblée		Cope called to order by Speaker
L'initiative de Jean-François Copé lui a valu un rappel à l'ordre immédiat du président de l'Assemblée, lui aussi UMP. Plaidant pour «un large consensus» sur «une telle question de société», Bernard Accoyer a jugée l'initiative «prématurée par rapport à la réponse» que l'Assemblée «pourrait donner à cette pratique, qu'il s'agisse d'une résolution et de la perspective de dispositions réglementaires et/ou législatives».		The initiative of Jean-Francois Cope earned him an immediate call to order by the President of the Assembly, also of the UMP. Arguing for a "broad consensus" on "such a societal issue," Bernard Accoyer deemed the initiative "premature compared to the response" that the Assembly "could give to this practice, whether it be a resolution on the perspective of regulatory and/or legislative measures."

La Chine dorme. Laisse la dormir. Quand la Chine s'éveillera, le monde tremblera.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 11:19:05 PM EST
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Identité nationale : Sarkozy prépare des surprises - Politique - 26/12/2009 - leParisien.fr		National Identity : Sarkozy has some surprises planned - Politics - 12/26/2009 - leParisien.fr
Le chef de l'Etat veut reprendre la main dans le débat sur l'identité nationale. Jusqu'à donner le droit de vote aux immigrés?		The head of state wants to take up the debate on national identity again. Even to the point of giving the right to vote to immigrants?
Nicolas SARKOZY a entendu les craintes de la communauté musulmane de France. Mécontent de la tournure du débat sur l'identité nationale, entre dérapages racistes et islamophobie rampante, le président a décidé de reprendre les choses en main. Il prendra donc la parole le 4 février. Sa précédente intervention sur le sujet, dans une tribune au quotidien « le Monde », début décembre, n'avait pas calmé les esprits : on lui avait notamment reproché de demander aux croyants, et d'abord aux musulmans, de pratiquer leur culte avec une « humble discrétion », alors qu'on l'a vu lui-même faire un signe de croix en public à plusieurs reprises...		Nicolas SARKOZY listened to the concerns of France's muslim community. Unhappy with the turn in the debate on national identity, between racist gaffes and rampant islamophobia, the president has decided to take things back in hand. So he will make a statement on February 4. His previous intervention on the subject, in a a column for the daily Le Monde, in the beginning of December, did not calm hearts: in particular, he was criticized for asking believers, foremost among them Muslims, to practice their faith with a "humble discretion", while he himself had been seen making the sign of the cross in public several times...
Bien décidé à envoyer des signaux forts d'apaisement aux musulmans, Sarkozy a reçu mercredi le président du Conseil français du culte musulman (CFCM), Mohammed Moussaoui, qui lui a fait part d'un « sentiment d'incompréhension et d'inquiétude ». Début 2010, le président ira se recueillir au cimetière militaire de Notre-Dame-de-Lorette, près d'Arras (Nord), pour honorer la mémoire des soldats musulmans tombés pour la France. Le carré musulman y a été profané fin 2008, pour la troisième fois en deux ans. Le président semble aussi vouloir mettre en sourdine les questions d'immigration dans la campagne pour les élections régionales.		Quite determined to send strong signals of appeasement to the Muslims, on Wednesday Sarkozy received the president of the French Council of the Muslim faith, Mohammed Moussaoui, who shared with him a "feeling of incomprehension and worry". In the beginning of 2010, the president will go pray at the military cemetery of Notre-Dame-de-Lorette, near Arras (north), to honor the memory of Muslim soldiers who died for France. The Muslim patch of ground there was desecrated in 2008, for the third time in two years. The president seems to want to soft-pedal questions of immigration in the countryside for the regional elections.
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Enfin, Sarkozy a été très agacé par l'initiative de Jean-François Copé, qui a annoncé le dépôt en janvier d'une proposition de loi UMP pour interdire la burqa, avant même la fin de la mission parlementaire. Au palais, on n'apprécie pas. « C'est un sujet si sensible qu'il faut que chacun évite d'en faire une affaire personnelle », tance-t-on.		Finally, Sarkozy was very annoyed by Jean-François Copé's initiative, which announced the deposition in January of a UMP bill to ban the burka, even before the end of the parliamentary session. The palace was not pleased. "It's a subject that is so sensitive that everyone must avoid making it a personal affair," it is said.

La Chine dorme. Laisse la dormir. Quand la Chine s'éveillera, le monde tremblera.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Dec 26th, 2009 at 11:48:01 PM EST
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Oh my God! Now the state is going to tell people what to wear in public...How is that different then Mao's China ?
Let's tell the state to just make uniforms so people will not mistake in what they are wearing. This is ridiculous! I can understand that for some jobs where people are dealing with public they should have uniforms...Even public schools are OK to have their uniforms and rules...but IN PUBLIC...this is just to much. Why for Christ sake gays are alowed to walk in public showing everyone their naked bottoms and that's not offending but someone who complitely cover himself ofends people? What people?
France is rapidly becoming another place I wouldn't want to live in...xenophobia + radical nationalism = you know what. And you are still blaming Serbs...are you?

by vbo on Sun Dec 27th, 2009 at 02:58:02 AM EST
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vbo: France is rapidly becoming another place I wouldn't want to live in

Do yourself a favor and the next time you are in Paris, take a stroll down rue Montorgueil, and in particular drop by Eric Kayser's. It's not that you won't ever want to go home again; rather, France will become your home. (Granted, ćevapčići is delicious, but you ain't never gonna eat in Serbia like you do in France.)

La Chine dorme. Laisse la dormir. Quand la Chine s'éveillera, le monde tremblera.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sun Dec 27th, 2009 at 04:18:29 AM EST
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Eric Kayser (none / 0)

Though his website doesn't say fine baking to me. More neediness than kneadiness ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Dec 27th, 2009 at 04:32:50 AM EST
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Oh no it's not that I don't like France ( or Italy for that matter) as countries. I love them. I just do not like what is happening there , the atmosphere that is building thanks to politicians...It's very easy to make that "fire" and very dengerous...At some point it's even irreversible until some cataserofic event wipe it down slowly...
I can imagine they may have a problem with multiculturalism ( not easy to manage) but that's a part of a "free" world they created in order to put in place globalisation. It's actually side effect ;)

by vbo on Sun Dec 27th, 2009 at 05:32:41 AM EST
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Aren't you in Australia ? The country of racist immigration quotas ? Of Queensland ? Pauline Hanson ?

Nowhere is safe from such behaviour from politicians ? Politicians aren't like us and I wouldn't take their prejudices as indicative of the national psyche. Wherever you are, the elite leadership classes will be more pious, more self-aggrandizing and more authoritarian than the general public.

Just like every country in the owrld, France is a wonderful country with a wonderful people, all of which is utterly despoiled by their political classes.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 27th, 2009 at 09:13:33 AM EST
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"Of Queensland ? Pauline Hanson ?"

You can't compare Hanson which is a marginal person ( made by those in power to spice up a little bit) and Sarcozy who is PM. All tho I have no doubt Howard would agree with Sarcozy or even with that one proposing this law he wouldn't dare to expose himself.
I am just worrying when majority Italians do not care about Berlusconi's policies as long as they are doing OK or for that matter French being OK with Sarkozies choice of publicly acceptable religioions as long as they are not picked.
People are always wonderfull...at least most of them...at least 50 % of Serbs did not support Milosevic and his war policies...but when they decided to go and vote that 1 % above 50 % and put him in power they opened Pandora's box.And then they were exposed through media and all propaganda to a hellish pushing to hatered. It's very easy once it is anlished...That's why I wouldn't want to experiance it again. I am not there in France and I am not specific suporter of Islam in any way shape or form but I can feel hatered building toward Islam people in France, Switzerland...They are in Europe to stay...they may not be Europeans the way France politicans want them to be...

by vbo on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:46:52 AM EST
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