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In Scandinavia's case, conscripts do, say, around a year's training - but they will never leave their home countries. That's for the professionals only.

I am for conscription under the circumstances above. It's a useful test of various physical skills that these young guys might not otherwise experience, they get mixed up with young people outside their usual crowd, they get fitter, and they also understand the pros and cons of organization - outside of school.

My comment to the ministerial advisor when he said that Sweden had become opposed to conscription because of the reduced freedom, was that society has already done the same to them for a year when they were 11, a year when they were 12, 13 etc.

As I've argued with my daughters several times, freedom comes with responsibilities, and society tends to demand that the responsibility is shown before the freedom is bestowed. Of course, it is a gradual process of small freedom, small responsibility - give and take.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Dec 20th, 2009 at 02:14:29 PM EST
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Unfortunately I have a tendency to view the military as licensed bullying. It's a very Darwinian environment where only the brutal and most violent prosper. I've heard the stories about how the small, the intellectual and the gay are mercilessly and relentlessly attacked.

I cannot see any advantage in placing the best of society at the (non-existent) mercy of the worst. especially as we know that class based discrimination exists, money buys exemptions. In the military as elsewhere, life is a shit sandwich, the more bread you got, the less shit you eat.

At least in civvy street, aka civilisation, people can negotiate safe space fopr themselves. It is impossible to hide in the military.

And do women get to buy their place in society, or do they get a pass like they used to ?

Sorry if that's dismissive and aggressive, but I get a lot of "bring back national service" crap over here and the thought frightens me.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 20th, 2009 at 03:37:33 PM EST
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i agree, we need to weed out that kind of psychopathy, not give it more places to fester.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Dec 21st, 2009 at 11:43:51 AM EST
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