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Modern western society has few male-bonding socialization rituals left.  Sports, for the players, are one.  The military is the biggie.  Police, fire, and emergency workers pretty much close the list.  Ersatz forms are present, thinking of "fans," but they are spectator-active rather than participant-active.  

Looking is not the same as Being.

There are reasons for this, of course: society doesn't need Hunting Cults when all one has to do is trundle thyself down to the local grocery store to get a haunch of meat.  Society need young males to train for careers of various sorts some of which require decades of education and training.  

Once again it's a situation where our evolutionary heritage molded our little primate brain/mind to need psychological and socio-psychological stimuli and structures that are not necessary - even harmful - in Modern Times.

by ATinNM on Sun Dec 20th, 2009 at 02:35:50 PM EST
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ATinNM:
male-bonding socialization rituals

sounds so robert bly!

all kinds of mbsr's have gone by the board over the last couple of generations. even brother and brother rivalry is encouraged, all in the name of holy competition.

there are some kinds of newer bonding, through gathering around mutual interests, but i think it's pretty weak tea still compared to the bonds formed, for example, farming food that leads to family survival together, or cutting wood that will permit staying alive through the winter.

playing music creates interesting bonds, sometimes extremely deep and durable ones.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Dec 20th, 2009 at 03:29:13 PM EST
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Does it?  I've never read Bly.
by ATinNM on Sun Dec 20th, 2009 at 04:50:54 PM EST
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he's a poet, who put together some gatherings, all males, to go out in the woods together and get primal, lots of drums, storytelling and sharing of how it feels to be a man in modern times.

quite big stateside in the mid eighties.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Dec 20th, 2009 at 07:28:41 PM EST
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ATinNM:
Modern western society has few male-bonding socialization rituals left.

Banking and finance.

Seriously. If you're not macho enough, you're eliminated from the job pool.

I've known people this has happened to. It's deliberately Darwinian, and entirely based on ruthless competition. The survivors certainly have a loyalty to their caste, if not necessarily to their corporate alma mater.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Dec 20th, 2009 at 08:16:27 PM EST
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