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the left blogosphere was bound to splinter and turn on itself.

It would have really turned on itself if Obama had lost in November 2008, but instead by winning the Senate, House, and presidency the implosion has been more drawn out. Winning 60 seats in the Senate was an accident the Democrats did not want.

This happens when you have only yourself to blame for your shortcomings. The Democratic Party and its supporters are the problem now. But they needn't worry, soon the Republicans will teabag themselves back into office and the Democrats won't have to worry about governing anymore. They can go back to claiming to need more Democrats.

It could have been different if Obama was a strong, bold leader rallying his netroot supporters to fight for his legislative goals, but instead he decided to ask for a banquet while demonstrating he's perfectly willing to settle for table scraps.

by Magnifico on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 03:24:07 PM EST
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The annoying thing about all of it is that I find myself agreeing with all criticisms of everybody.  Obama's a pansy, and Jane Hamsher is nuts.  The HCR bill is awful, and I'm still inclined to support going to conference in hopes of getting something better.  (I'm not sure how I'd vote if this were all we could get, honestly.)

The left is splintered into one side, which is too ideological, and another side, which is too moderate/"pragmatic" (I'm not sure who's pragmatic here, quite frankly).  I'm inclined to agree with the idea that if we can't get a public option, we should kill the bill, yet I'm sympathetic to Krugman and Boo's argument that the stronger cost controls can wait, and that the uninsured need those subsidies now rather than our ideological fight and long-term knowledge.

But maybe that's just "Eat shit and shit ponies later" and doomed to failure.  Or maybe it should be seen as a small, but significant win, and guys like rootless2 are right when they say the left is always willing to suffer the big loss because next time we'll get the big win  (shrug)  So I dunno, WTF?

If that makes any sense.

Meh.  Like I said, thank god for Bowl Games.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 03:32:37 PM EST
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The annoying thing about all of it is that I find myself agreeing with all criticisms of everybody.  Obama's a pansy, and Jane Hamsher is nuts.

LMAO.

The looming failure of the Obama administration stems from what didn't happen 10 - 15 years ago.  The Progressives didn't sit down, do some analysis, come-up with policy prescriptions, and a way to sell them.

Right now the political climate in the US could be changed if the leaders of the Progressive Caucus and the Left, in general, weren't second and third rate bottom feeders.  

But they are, so it won't.

by ATinNM on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 04:11:38 PM EST
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Oh, pffft.  You been doing too many hallucinogens with Peyote Bill, ya quitter. ;)

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 04:14:27 PM EST
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I think the added problem is that, to paraphrase Churchill on Gen clarke, the netroots fooled themselves into thinking "they were hurling a wild cat on Washington, instead they beached a whale".

As was noted all the way through the primaries, Obama made no secret of what he was. But it is amazing how much people were willing to project an entirely different collective persona upon him that could never deliver on the expectations that had built up.

As I said at the time "..nobody could, but Obama won't even try".  And he hasn't.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 03:36:59 PM EST
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Look on Obama as a "first step" ... at least he isn't McCain/Palin which was the other choice.  Now all the people who complain that "Obama ain't what we wanted" will have a chance to get off their fat asses and go the next step to a ... Kucinich?  Nader?  ... whomever, or allow the Repubs to get back into the driver seat big time and THAT, my friends, will be UGLY, with a capital UGH!!

P.S. Glad I'm an old dude without kids.  I don't hang out with the super-wealthy and they're the only ones smiling, other than the "Jesus is coming" crowd.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 04:15:00 PM EST
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Over the last week I've heard that "Look upon X as a first step" be it Obama or Copenhagen or any other thing where people just havent stood up to be counted.

ok he isnt McCain or Palin, but he still isnt good enough by a long shot. Every time hes had the oppertunity  to stand up and be counted, to make his position felt as the  man who's worthy to be remembered in history, he's taken the big words but small gestures route from what I can see.  By taking this route where he's taken the easy way out he's  perhaps destroyed any faith that a percentage of the youthfull vote has in future politicians. Im n saying that people should fight against the current  health bill, as any extra person you can get coverage for is a victory, (And any that will still be at peril of losing houses or without coverage are still going to be the most cynically betrayed)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 05:13:48 PM EST
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By taking this route where he's taken the easy way out he's  perhaps destroyed any faith that a percentage of the youthfull vote has in future politicians.

Sometime he'll see
The hardest thing
Turns out to be
The easy way out!

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 06:20:54 PM EST
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I voted for Obama after I saw the bumper sticker

OBAMA:  Not as Terrible as Bush!


In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 06:59:28 AM EST
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