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I guess we'll agree to disagree on Obama's 'ambivalence' and whether or not he's badly playing his hand.  I get where the perception comes from, but I think it misjudges the politics of the situation.

It appears to me that a lot of people who are disappointed in Obama and calling him a failure or a sell out, really want him to be a George Bush of the left and 'ram' changes through.  There's two problems with this -- the main one being that Obama is working within a hostile environment.  Bush was working from a very powerful foundation the right had been laying for at least 35 years on the executive level.

Reagan had the same goals as Bush, yet didn't act like him in office.  Why?  not because he was better, but because he was operating in an environment where Bush-like moves would not have been possible.  Say what you will about the right - they're hard workers!  I've paid attention this whole time and can say with confidence that decades of work went into creating the environment which made the last presidency possible.

We flat-out do not have that environment, and Obama is smart and temperate enough to know it.  If we want a liberal president who can take bold action without getting pummeled, we have a lot more work to do first.  

I think the second reason is probably that Obama really believes his own ideals that one shouldn't actually BE a Bush-like dictator and instead should work within a democratic frame of action.  While I find that frustrating because things aren't moving quickly, I respect it.

I agree books will probably be written - I just don't think they'll be about Kabuki.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 04:18:52 PM EST
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Izzy:
we have a lot more work to do first.  

I think you got it there.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 04:24:32 PM EST
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Indeed.  Can't leave out the provisions Bernie Sanders has pushed through either.  These seem to be pretty huge things that haven't gotten much news coverage due to the fight over the public option.  Sanders is going to do a lot of good for a lot of people with all that, and he may well have laid the foundation for an eventual Canadian-style system.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 05:59:01 PM EST
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Reading that, its xcellent that they have managed to increase those things but one bit stands out

Sanders Strengthens Senate Health Bill - Newsroom: U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (Vermont)

Sanders notes some other positive elements of the Senate bill.

"We can talk about the politics, and all of our disappointments," he says, "but at the end of the day you're gonna have 31 million more people who have health insurance--taking us up to some 94 percent [covered]. That's not an insignificant achievement and we shouldn't become too cynical about it."

Those people who can vote against providing healthcare for that last six percent are morally and ethicaly bankrupt. Throwing 18 million people under the bus is one of the most disgusting political actions possible.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 07:04:00 PM EST
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I couldn't agree more, of course, but remember that a large chunk of that 6% are undocumented immigrants.  In addition to the obvious political psychosis that accompanies that, it also presents obvious practical problems.  I believe that accounts for about 4 or 5 points of the 6.  The other 1-2% are people who'd refuse to buy the insurance (mostly young people, if I remember correctly).

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 05:34:13 PM EST
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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 07:35:20 PM EST
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Missed step 0: convince the US body politic that government is not necessarily bad.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 22nd, 2009 at 08:14:23 PM EST
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The body politic doesn't need convincing.  The Senate does.  The public option was the most popular provision with the public.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 09:20:50 AM EST
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My point was the work we have to do shifting the Zeitgeist out of its current neoliberal set.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 02:02:06 AM EST
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I think we err when we say that strong presidential leadership is inherently dictatorial or Bush-like. Many progressives want Obama to be the FDR of the left, or the LBJ of the left - someone who knows how to use the power of the presidency, within the rules, to drive a progressive agenda through Congress.

Obama has those same tools - formal and informal, Constitutional and political - at his disposal. He has so far not chosen to use them the way FDR and LBJ did. Obama made little to no effort to pressure the Senate to embrace a public option. Obama could well have done so. Senators are not all powerful - they have bills they want signed, programs they want funded. Presidents often use those as leverage to get Senators to do what they wish. That may not have been Madison's vision, but it has been a part of American politics for nearly 80 years.

Obama is pursuing his agenda, which is a basically neoliberal agenda. As with the neoliberal agenda, there are elements of it that are attractive to progressives, otherwise neoliberalism would never have survived 30 years in this country. But his agenda is not a progressive agenda, and it is not the agenda of FDR or LBJ.

Obama could well have chosen a progressive agenda, and could have taken advantage of the 2008 political victory to make that a reality. He decided that wasn't what he wanted to do, and so here we are, with some of the left siding with Obama, and some of us not, at least on health care.

I feel confident about how this will end - in reinforcement of corporate power, some reforms that help people but remain vulnerable to the eventual return of the right-wing in a few years' time, a return that would not have been inevitable had a more progressive path been taken.

That is the fate of not just American center-left neoliberalism, but Canadian center-left neoliberalism and British center-left neoliberalism.

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 01:40:53 AM EST
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I'm not conflating leadership with dictatorship -- I'm saying I've noticed some of the complaints seem to want him to behave like a lefty-Bush (bearing in mind I'm responding to reading fights elsewhere and not only on this blog).

I understand your criticisms and concerns and even share some of them.  My main contentions are that 1) Obama may have the same tools, but a completely different political climate -- plus, neither example cited was up against the sort of corporate and media monoliths that exist today; 2) fighting to improve the bill is great - calling for killing it is destructive -- I don't think there's any question that it will establish healthcare as a duty of government and save lives, and 3) the vitriol and assigning of bad motives that I've been reading is stunning.  

The rhetoric in this debate has gotten really heated, which is understandable, so I want to add that I always appreciate your thoughtful replies, even when we disagree (so, yes, the offer to take you to Phillipe's French Dips on your next visit is still on).

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 03:15:12 AM EST
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I won't repeat what Montereyan said, because his misgivings are almost exactly identical with my own.

But from the UK perspective, the vitriol, such as it is, is fueled by Obama's increasingly uncanny resemblance to Blair - another leader who was willing to give populist devils their due to somewhat less than the minimal extent needed to assure votes, while secretly believing fervently in neoliberal aims and means, and supporting the corporates against the people they feed off.

When people voted for Blair in 1997, they voted for someone who wasn't a grasping and condescending Tory.

They got someone who was a grasping and condescending Tory, but who was willing to splash some cash around to keep them quiet and voting on demand.

Obama looks very similar. People voted for someone they thought would represent them and fight for them. Instead they've been given someone who seems intent on fighting them, putting them in their place, and managing already low expectations of what they can expect from a Democrat.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 08:26:19 AM EST
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