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It is over 10C here today and raining. The low was above 5C so I have not bothered with a fire yesterday or today, preferring to save the wood for below freezing weather when the heat pump is less useful. But I did get a couple of day's firewood onto a covered porch yesterday and finished getting flower boxes and the metal baskets that support them put away under cover.

Last night we went to see Avatar.  I actually quite liked it. The Pandoran critters were quite believable. I once dreamed that I had been born with a tail. My mother indignantly denied it. The dream had been quite vivid, with sensations of twitching my tail.  Perhaps the Kundalini energy had been overactive.  The audience was mostly under 30, but well behaved, unlike my wife's party recent experienced on a weekend. I do hope that the overall message of atunement to the environment vs. the corporate view that "nature" is just dead and of unlimited exportability sinks in to their sensibilities.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 01:31:00 PM EST
Good friend of ours saw and highly recommended it.  He also said to shell out the $2 to see it in 3D.

The last time I went to a movie theater I vowed I would never go to another.  Kept that vow for 6 six years.  Most movies I have zero interest in viewing and most of the rest I can view in the comfort of my own home, hear the soundtrack over my own sound system¹, not have someone coughing flu all over us (happened the last time) by buying/renting the DVD for 25%/1% of the cost of going to a theater.  

And we don't have to watch 27 trailers of previews for films the producers would have to give me money, free sex, and drugs to sit through.

But I guess I'll end-up going to this one.  I do want to see what is happening with 3D animation.  If nothing else I'll get a nice 2.5 hour nap.

¹  In New Mexico the soundtrack is considered an optional externality: great if the audience can hear but, in the general scheme of things, not all that important.

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 03:36:04 PM EST
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I wasn't that impressed...

3D is not a better approximation of sight, it is damned unusual. And uncomfortable. It is a new medium (in its current guise), but is as relevant as the pop-up book is to world literature. The only thing that is driving this is beating file-sharers and physical unit pirates (espec. in Asia).

I shall probably see the damn thing - though a 10.30 am press show might assuage my guilt. I may even like it. But it is really the last firework in the Lumière display.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 03:46:23 PM EST
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LOL

The audience in the picture looks like they are all eagerly awaiting the joys of root canal surgery.

Except for the lady third on your right who has apparently fallen asleep.

It's funny.  The techniques and technology of film making are progressing at a rapid clip.  Yet the process and practice of story-telling is heading ever-downward.  To quote Harlan Ellison, "It's like a dead rat embedded in a Lucite block."

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 03:57:36 PM EST
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Finding the answer to that little conundrum is what we are about?

My standard lecture on the subject describes the 'concept editor': someone who can speak the language of many different groups, and translate visions between them. I aspire to be a concept editor. The group that is most tricky to deal with is the punters. Evolving all the time.

And the artistic question, as ever, is to what extent do you educate the punters and to what extent do you entertain them? A spoonful of tolerable medicine. And yet art, like advertising, is aimed at pointing out the inadequacies of the punter's life.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 04:09:40 PM EST
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Whatever you do, it's elitist. ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 04:10:56 PM EST
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Need an English to American translation.

By "punters" do you mean the audience or the backers of a film?

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 04:20:11 PM EST
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Punters are them as buys the tickets.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 04:21:13 PM EST
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But as I've said before, there are three sales processes in any project: selling to the group who you need to create critical creative mass, selling to the investors/pre-buyers/commissioning editors/publishers, and selling to the punters. All of them need different narratives.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 04:24:01 PM EST
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I was thinking more of the product narrative than the (various) "sales campaigns."  

Oh, well.  Nothing to do with me.  I know too much, and too little, to want to get into the Film business.

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 04:49:30 PM EST
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I'm not sure the bad and good distinctions (of e.g film-making) are useful any more. 100 years ago the distinction between fact and fiction was perceived as more clear. Back then they thought they knew what an 'oeuvre' was.

But I still claim that there is no such thing as an original 'oeuvre'. Never has been. Because for an 'oeuvre' to be successful in any way, it needs to communicate through what an audience knows or thinks it knows already. What the audience already knows about a 'work' is implicit in it's ability to vibrate the audience in some way - that is, a work must always reference what has gone before, otherwise it can have no 'meaning'.

The distinction between 'reality' and fiction was easier to smudge in the days of linear presentations. But in the non-linear life which we now lead (and have always lead), it becomes more difficult to control the psychedelic experience of life, and to divide what is real from what is not real.

The drone operators in Arkansas, directing drones in Afghanistan that kill people, play a video game. An extreme and trite example perhaps. IMO the next 10 years will be spent arguing about what is real. As ever ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 05:10:41 PM EST
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In a very real sense there is no Real.  It's all interpretations OF reality.  On the other hand, "interpreting reality" such that you can jump off a bride and fly is a quick learn in the limitations of interpretation.

In almost the same way, an artist's -- if we want to start throwing insults around - oeuvre cannot be singular because communication require some overlap in "vocabulary."  (I spare you the standard ATinNM discourse re: Piercean semiotics¹)  The desperate search for "originality" by western artists -- including film makers -- is a Modern (Post-Modern?) obsession, not a necessary aspect, part, or property of Art tho' it may be a necessary aspect, part, or property of the currently existing Art business.  

¹  You're welcome.

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 06:06:06 PM EST
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here's the evening's poetry, colman

ATinNM:

such that you can jump off a bride and fly

for the uxurious amongst us, that rings so true...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 09:15:28 PM EST
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ATinNM:
 The desperate search for "originality" by western artists -- including film makers -- is a Modern (Post-Modern?) obsession, not a necessary aspect, part, or property of Art tho' it may be a necessary aspect, part, or property of the currently existing Art business.  

mmm, chewy...

PNing a bit, but i see it a bit differently.

first of all, one may seek to be original in a manner that belies desperation, more of a quest for calm.

but if you sub novelty, then i agree.

just to carry a tradition on without undue embellishment, now there are many artists content with that, even making a living.

the art business makes more off of novelty, as the public rewards that more highly, as it reflects and accompanies the deconstruction of the past that is presently accelerating.

i would submit that the 'sweet spot' for a career artist is when he or she knows that the fans want something not too different from the last offering, but leaving room for evolution.

the worst would be to have to stay a step ahead of a zeitgeist that was slipping away faster than you can run, or conversely to have such a rigid fanbase that they wouldn't show up unless the artist were faithfully cloning their own pasts for them, with little or no room for growth, because that would be confusing and make them feel superannuated.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 09:29:30 PM EST
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I think punters are customers in England...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 04:59:17 PM EST
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UPDATED: Copernicus Grades Cameron On The Science of AVATAR!! -- Ain't It Cool News: The best in movie, TV, DVD, and comic book news.

First, a little background: I'm a professor of astrophysics who has
searched for planets, worked on SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial
Intelligence) programs, and taught classes on life in the universe.
Right now, I'm helping to build a global network of telescopes to
search for planets and supernovae.

That is a long-winded way of saying that it is part of my job
description to think about the possibility of life on other worlds.
So when James Cameron makes one of the most expensive movies ever
made, and one that puts us right in the middle of an alien culture... in
3D.... well to say I'm interested doesn't begin to cover it.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 07:36:34 PM EST
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Sven
I wasn't that impressed...3D is not a better approximation of sight, it is damned unusual.

Remembering the 50s, I elected for us to see in in normal vision. We got seats in the last row, had no one in front of us and were able to see it as a movie vs. an experiment in a "new" visual technology. I DON'T like putting uncomfortable paper thingies over my glasses. From your reaction it sounds like I made a good choice.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 09:36:45 PM EST
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I too tend to prefer DVDs to cinemas with all those irritating people munching snacks, pushing one's seat, etc., but I will make an exception for this one and try to see it in 3-D.

There's a positive, in-depth (pardon pun) by Manohla Dargis in the NYT. More important than the 3-D was the other technology:

"Mr. Cameron has said that he started thinking about the alien universe that became Pandora and its galactic environs in "Avatar" back in the 1970s. He wrote a treatment in 1996, but the technologies he needed to turn his ideas into images didn't exist until recently. New digital technologies gave him the necessary tools, including performance capture, which translates an actor's physical movements into a computer-generated image (CGI).

...
 In keeping with his maximalist tendencies, Mr. Cameron has shot "Avatar" in 3-D ... an experiment that serves his material beautifully. This isn't the 3-D of the 1950s or even contemporary films, those flicks that try to give you a virtual poke in the eye with flying spears. Rather Mr. Cameron uses 3-D to amplify the immersive experience of spectacle cinema.
...

After a few minutes the novelty of people and objects hovering above the row in front of you wears off, and you tend not to notice the 3-D, which speaks to the subtlety of its use and potential future applications. Mr. Cameron might like to play with high-tech gadgets, but he's an old-fashioned filmmaker at heart, and he wants us to get as lost in his fictional paradise as Jake eventually does.

... one of the pleasures of the movies is that they transport us, as Neytiri does with Jake, into imaginary realms, into Eden and over the rainbow to Oz.

If the story of a paradise found and potentially lost feels resonant, it's because "Avatar" is as much about our Earth as the universe that Mr. Cameron has invented. But the movie's truer meaning is in the audacity of its filmmaking.

... Movies rarely carry us away, few even try. They entertain and instruct and sometimes enlighten. Some attempt to overwhelm us, but their efforts are usually a matter of volume. What's often missing is awe, something Mr. Cameron has, after an absence from Hollywood, returned to the screen with a vengeance. He hasn't changed cinema, but with blue people and pink blooms he has confirmed its wonder."

http://movies.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/movies/18avatar.html

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 04:59:13 PM EST
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Very occasionally I regret not seeing a film on the Big Screen.  Memoirs of a Geisha leaps to mind.  Not sure if the visuals of the film came from the director Rob Marshall or the cinematographer Dion Bebee.  So I'll probably head to a theater to see Nine.

Anything by Ridley Scott needs to be seen in a theater.

The scenic shots of New Zealand in Lord of the Rings were stunning and some of the special effects shots were nice.  The rest, i.e., most, of the films ... not really.

POTENTIAL SPOILER FOLLOWS

One aspect of Avatar, if my Informed Sources are correct ;-), I find intriguing is the film's use of the Yggdrasil motif.  It was used in The Fountain but in such a disconnected way, and it's so unfamiliar with modern audiences, I doubt it came across.  
 

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 05:29:00 PM EST
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Entirely boreal, my dear Watson.

Shades of: Tapio

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 05:34:31 PM EST
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....this I am looking forward ro....

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 06:12:55 PM EST
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The movie The Fountain is one of our all time favorites and there are certain similarities to that and to Norse mythology in Avitar, but I would say the Pandoran sensibility is more that of the Native Americans at the time of European contact.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 09:55:26 PM EST
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We saw Avatar at the IMAX.  It's definitely worth seeing in 3D.  In fact, it's probably only worth seeing in 3D (this is deftly handled, unlike, say, Disney's Christmas Carol, which is one obvious 3D set piece after another), because the script really isn't very good, the story tediously derivative, and some of the dialogue close to giggle-out-loud awful. We walked back to the train ticking off the films in which we'd seen the key scenes before. And one of us was 11.

I don't want to give the impression it was unalloyed suffering-it wasn't. And I stopped looking at my watch during the battle scenes at the end. But without the 3D, a very ordinary film.

by Sassafras on Wed Dec 23rd, 2009 at 09:23:41 PM EST
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I'm thinking that if you want to add depth to a film, shooting in 3D may not be the best way to do it.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 06:11:30 AM EST
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It's again the McLuhan distinction between hot and cold media: hot media require you, the audience, to infer a great deal from the limited amount of data you are given. The process of inference is 'involving'. And since the inferences are individual, the audience can be 'involved' in many different ways.

Cold media, normally 'high-resolution', have fewer interpretation possibilities, and are thus usually more 'distant' from the audience. 3D points out that you are a consumer.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 07:01:41 AM EST
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It is the lack of inference-the patronising tedium of being spoon-fed-that irritates me about a lot of films, including this one.

But, I have found that I'm drawn deeper into films by the experience of 3D. Something to do, I think, with the more "physically" immersive experience. Even though I haven't seen a 3D film yet that's actually all that good.

by Sassafras on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 09:09:53 AM EST
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That's closer to it, I think. It's a beginner-level point in all kinds of story-telling and persuasion that you show, but you don't tell. Showing puts the action inside the reader's/viewer's head. Telling is distancing and irritating to anyone with even basic literarcy.

You get the best kind of writing when there's a scene where no one is saying or doing much, but you know exactly what they're thinking and feeling, what motivates them, and what their plans are.

Cameron is one of the people most responsible for reducing science fiction cinema to comic book narratives, especially from Aliens onwards, which elevated the grunts vs marines trope to the cliche that it's become today, in film and in print.

Compare with 2001, where there was so much showing and so little telling, especially at the end, that a lot of people had no conscious conception of what was happening - but they still had a sense that it was moving and even profound.

But 2001 assumed that audiences were aware enough to follow. Most recent films have left that assumption behind, and assume that audiences are made up of gum chewing fools out for a roller coaster ride and some eye candy.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 11:25:24 AM EST
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