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by supporting the 1935 Social Security Act you would be selling out the working class and capitulating to right-wing special interests who wrote half the bill?

Didn't see that one coming, didja?

To get Social Security passed, progressives had to agree to exclude nearly one-half of the working class, including two-thirds of all African Americans and more than one-half of all women.

Yep, that's the deal you would have had to make in 1935 to pass what we know now is one of the most progressive and successful governmental programs of all time. But in 1935, it didn't look that way when progressives had to accept the deal racist, reactionary Southern Democrats laid down in exchange for their votes.

These backward elements held power over key committees that could have scuttled Social Security and prevented even a vote. Their deal? Exclude all domestic workers, agricultural labor, state and local government employees, and many teachers, nurses, hospital workers, librarians and social workers. Their special interest? Keeping power by keeping intact the American-style apartheid system they presided over.

So what do we do? Kill the bill and try to come back later or take what you can get now?



"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 09:13:15 AM EST
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.  Yes, historically welfare programs like these start out as shitty compromises and are made better over a number of years (or decades) as they become a given/right/entitlement/whateveryouwannacallit for the country.  And, while I think that's very possible given the structure of this bill, it's not a guarantee.

Like Izzy said, we're still at the front end of the new political cycle.  It took the GOPers decades to get into a position to ram through their agenda, and they still didn't get the elements that were most important to the various factions (overturning Roe, privatizing Social Security, flat taxes, etc).

Just keep winning and pushing, and we'll fix it.  I think we're going to do some good with this.  But there's a lotta work to do.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 09:40:25 AM EST
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Of course, but I'm a glass-half-full guy on this one.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 10:40:15 AM EST
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As am I.  Few things worth doing are easy.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 11:17:47 AM EST
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Well, this uninsured, living under the poverty-level, pre-existing condition-riddled citizen is taking a moment to say - YAY!  It's been a long time coming...

I'll focus on the fight day after tomorrow - I'm gonna enjoy the glow for a day.

Merry Christmas, everyone!

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 02:57:57 PM EST
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I'm very happy for you. yours' is the vewpoint that keeps being lost in the chasing of the perfect.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 04:05:17 PM EST
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Thanks, Helen! (((hug)))  Hope your Christmas eve is going well.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 04:08:29 PM EST
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Well, I'm well fed and I'm most of the way through a bottle of wine. Good telly as well.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 04:22:02 PM EST
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Sounds excellent.  Despite my current rush of warm fuzzies, I've actually declared a moratorium on Christmas this year -- I'm still not fully recovered from a hellish Thanksgiving! -- so I'm just taking it easy, which is nice.  I do have to go to a dinner tonight, but there's no gifts involved, so should be fairly low-key.  I might wear my red shoes, though.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 04:29:50 PM EST
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Where?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 04:30:45 PM EST
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Umm, .. shrek and Victorian farm. Plus I videoed 6 days 7 nights and Bridgett Jones from last night which I'm watching today.

then later I'll record shakespeare in love for tomorrow morning.

And booze lowers the threshold of what's watchable anyway.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 04:46:35 PM EST
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and forgive me that I was a little too "content" to ask how your xmas eve is going. Even if it's early afternoon over your way.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 04:27:54 PM EST
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lol - no worries.  I consider myself "in rome" when entering et threads.  Saying 'good morning' in the salon at midnight is normal now!  

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 04:32:03 PM EST
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I'd be more happy with this bill if the US hadn't just spent $1 trillion to shore up a corrupt financial sector and $900 billion on stupid wars.  The bonuses Goldman Sachs has payed out since TARP would have been enough for 100 to 200 free clinics.  Projecting from my own position, I'd like to submit part of the anger over the US "Health Insurance Reform" is the in-your-face evidence of how powerless the Left/Progressive movements are.  

The Democratic Party depends on the Left/Progressive movements to volunteer for staff and campaign positions.

As far as I'm concerned they can get their BFF in the FIRE industries to do those jobs in 2010.

by ATinNM on Thu Dec 24th, 2009 at 01:59:18 PM EST
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