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Thanks, Marco- difficult subject to diary because the data is so hard to evaluate because of different measurement methods, different definitions, and outright political manipulation.
I thought to add a bit to the discussion by expanding the question of daily hospital costs overall, but though there are lots of numbers out there they vary by sometimes 100% for the same national group. The difference seems to be in major part the political axe that is on the stone. I gave up when the average daily cost for a Canadian apparently varied between 3800 and 7800 Canadian dollars a day, across six sources.

I was unaware that mutuelles are non-profit. Are profits hidden as salary or other business costs, do you think?
I ask this because by coincidence I know two retired people who operated small (under 6 employees) assurance businesses and another family still very much in the Assurance Malade business, again small.
The striking thing about them all is their wealth.

As a small businessman most of my life, I learned that there is a mechanism that powerfully levels the remuneration for almost all small businesses. Join a well- established business group- restaurant, plumbing, Glazier- and after time weeds out the unlucky, the indolent or incompetent, your gross will fall within a fairly narrow range, with an upward bump for the strikingly creative. I could go into more detail, but the process is pretty obvious. Yet this relationship does not apply to the Assurance Malade buinesses with which I am familiar, here in Paris.
Perhaps it's just coincidence. I don't think so.

This end-of-the-curve return suggests a technique to game the system to me, as well as the all too familiar chamber of commerce bleatings about the evils of taxation and the sad necessity to raise rates due to unavoidable additional costs, of course.

What am I missing?  

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Dec 29th, 2009 at 07:29:08 AM EST
Mutuelle literally means cooperative, and originally these were set up as completely non profit. Many of them still are non profit, although for some of them, the executives (elected by the insureds) are certainly making a fair amount of money. One of the problems being adherents' disinterest : for most people, these elections are clearly meaningless, thus those that get elected are reelected quite easily. It is not by chance that some of those mutuelle (specifically the students' mutuelles) were used by one or two political parties as significant financing help.

But now, by extension, mutuelle means "health complement insurance" for many people ; and private insurers have a fair share of the market. I guess some may be able to find a few price points where the profits can be very high ; I guess a lot of small business that provide mutuelles to their employees don't have the time to carefully check around. Also, if those people you know are courtier, indeed most of the business is in getting new customers, and once you have a fair amount of them, the commissions can roll in regularly.

Another important thing is that although everday care, and more importantly eye and dental care, is not completely reimbursed, the really big risks, for grave illnesses, are often completely covered ; thus the risk profile for a complementary mutuelle is quite different than for an health insurer in the US. One consequence is that private complementary insurers aren't as bloodthirsty in trying to "not cover" problems.

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by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Dec 29th, 2009 at 08:17:40 AM EST
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Are profits hidden as salary or other business costs

Yes.

Let us compare two firms, A and B. Both firms report gross income (R) of $100. Both firms report operating expenses of $100. Both firms tender a commodity to the general public (for the sake of simplicity). Both firms declare tax status of the firm nonprofit.

Let gross income of A = Q x P = 10 x $10.
Let gross income of B = Q x P = 4 x $20.
Let C of Q for A, B = $2 (for the sake of simplicity).
Total cost A = $20; Total cost B = $8.

Clearly, C≠P yet firms A, B legitimately disclaim profit. The difference of C and P is extinguished in the difference of R - OpEx. To what operating expense(s) of the firm then do we attribute Profit A ($80) and Profit B ($72)?

There are hundreds of legitimate business expenses not directly related to production or purchase of Q which diminish the nonprofit firms' incomes, for example, amortization and depreciation of plant and equipment, interest payments, currency exchange losses, professional fees. In this case we compare the cost of salaries and wages alone. Typically, compensation is engrossed by line item General Administration of periodic financial statements.

Let A compensate three at $10 and one at $40, leaving $10 for other expenses.
Let B compensate ten at $5 and two at $10, leaving $2 for other expenses.

Were we to add compensation to cost of Q, 90% of A's income is attributable to C of Q, 98% of B's income is attributable to C of Q.

What "Management Amendement" provision of the various US bills seek by defining the loss ratio of a federally qualified health insurer as 85% of R is, is part, maximizing cost of Q, ex ante compensation and other unspecified business expenses. A charitable interpretation of such limitation supposes an insurer will then tender cost of Q = P. But we see that identity is fairly meaningless.

 

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by Cat on Tue Dec 29th, 2009 at 10:06:46 AM EST
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Thanks. Have wondered about the loopholes in the "not-for-profit" label for a long time.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Wed Dec 30th, 2009 at 01:07:18 AM EST
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