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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 03:09:18 PM EST
Taken on the xpan and scanned at college on an Espon V750.  It is effing expensive to get the slide film processed and scanned, let alone printed, so I have only processed them so far.  

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I'd love to get an Epson V750 or the V700 but I've had my eye on an FX wide angle for my D700 - the 14-24mm - to replace the DX that I'm still using since I upgraded from the D200.  Even in the sales I'm talking at least £1200 for the lens.

The scanner I can get for less than £500.  I want both and can't really afford either :(

What should I do?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 03:16:34 PM EST
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Scanner. I like my V750. Though it's bugger all use for 35mm film compared to the Nikon 35mm scanner.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 04:24:50 PM EST
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Excellent for 6x6 and bigger though.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 04:29:37 PM EST
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And how much is that?!
Does it take xpan format on 35mm film? My tutor seemed to rate the V750 more highly than the nikon 35mm.

My dilemma is more that I need a decent wide angle for weddings and the DX crops too much out on the FX camera.  A wide angle I can potentially make back on the investment, a scanner is nice for the hobby of using the xpan but won't make me money.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 04:33:52 PM EST
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The 750 is no competition for the LS-50 I have on 35mm - I can do some examples next week. It can't handle xpan as far as I know. Is xpan on 35mm? I thought it was 120!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 05:22:40 PM EST
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xpan is 35mm film but the frames are longer. So if it gets put in a 35mm holder with frames along it, the images get chopped up.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 04:11:13 AM EST
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 I've pondered a similar problem with my medium format Mamiya 7 camera and its 35mm panoramic adapter. It yields about a 64mm long  x 23mm wide panoramic strip on 35mm film without frame breaks.

 I kind of wonder if the Nikon 35mm film scanners might provide enough overlap of standard frames so one might at least be able to stitch several together in Photoshop.

   I don't believe my Nikon 5000 film scanner has frame breaks on the film holder, but I'm not certain how much length it is capable of taking in on a single full magnification scan frame. I think it scans an entire 6 frame segment of 35mm at once during preview mode.  I'll have to do some experimenting and let you know.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 10:53:54 PM EST
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Not great news. I scanned a five segment 35mm strip and here is what a single frame covered.  I believe this is the maximum area that the scanner can cover in a single scan. It does cover slightly more than a single 35mm frame, but there would be problems in trying to overlap parts of a single long strip because the scanner feeds the entire strip in and then automatically divides it into 37x25 segments.  There is an off-set adjustment in the scanner software that could provide some overlap but it seems to me that it would likely be a tedious process to use for our purposes.


This one measured 37.75mm in length by 25.05mm in width.

I think the scanner preview process just runs each segment in turn over the optics/sensor. It runs the low res scans so fast that it appears to scan the entire film strip at once. Maybe Colman can figure out something.

  I do know that I can scan an 12 frames of 35mm without segmenting on my old Epson 3200 flat bed.  I suspect the V700/750, as well as the V500, can do the same with better resolution.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Dec 5th, 2009 at 12:06:32 AM EST
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Thanks for having a go with that.  I think some googling around other forums may be in order. The photo of the mountains above was scanned on the Epson V750 which is capable of very good resolution if you can cope with huge file sizes.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 5th, 2009 at 03:46:12 AM EST
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Your question got me thinking after I posted above.  I think I might be able to cut my film strips to allow overlaps that would permit auto stitching in Photoshop, but again it could be tedious.  Keep us posted on the results of your google efforts.

My impression is that the V500, a much less expensive alternative to the V700 line, might suit you. It also scans up to 6500 dpi I believe.  Of course if you're looking for totally professional results, an Hasselblad Flextight Drum or other high-end scanner is the only true solution; and unless you do large volumes it's probably not worth the cost.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Dec 5th, 2009 at 11:04:53 AM EST
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Okaaay.

Scanning three test slides I shot with my Voigtlander Bessa 3A on slide film - because slide was a better test of the meter.

6400dpi on the 750, multi-exposure. This takes a while ... might only scan one tonight, actually, since I just realised I had scanned the first two to JPG, which sort of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? Silly Vuescan and/or silly Colman.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 7th, 2009 at 05:22:53 PM EST
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v750, crop of about 50% of frame:

ls-50, crop of about 50% of frame:

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 7th, 2009 at 05:43:32 PM EST
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v750, 100% crop.

ls-50, 100% crop

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 7th, 2009 at 05:45:25 PM EST
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To my eyes - and it's more obvious when you're not posting JPEGs - the ls-50 is much sharper and contrastier than the v750.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 7th, 2009 at 05:47:44 PM EST
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And practically, using slide mounts gives the v750 an easy time, since the mount holds the film flat while the standard 35mm holder doesn't hold negs flat. I could probably get better results tweaking adaptor heights and so on, but that gets old really fast,

Whether any of this matters is another matter, though there's not much point paying big money for lenses and then losing all their contrast and sharpness in the scanner.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 7th, 2009 at 05:50:15 PM EST
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A one shot a day challenge?


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Dec 3rd, 2009 at 04:55:12 PM EST
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Go for it!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 04:09:18 AM EST
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I did!

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 04:45:29 AM EST
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Keep going!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 4th, 2009 at 04:50:30 AM EST
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I backed up my photographs two days ago, and realised that, apart from a few family-type snapshots, I hadn't had my camera out since August...

So I think I'd better sign up for the challenge too.

5/12/2009

by Sassafras on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 04:42:44 AM EST
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I probably should too, with a proviso that I'm not allowed post more than 50% C pictures ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 7th, 2009 at 04:54:49 PM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 03:49:50 PM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 03:52:19 PM EST
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Well, I thought I'd failed today.  I took my camera to work, stowed it safely in my locker, worked through my lunch hour and took my camera home again.

Then a shampoo crisis (the world will end if she has to use mine) on the part of my teenager drove me into the city centre.

It was, again, raining.

And cold.

And wet. Did I mention wet?

And almost nobody else was stupid enough to be there.

So...our Guildhall.  It isn't a real guildhall, being a mere three hundred or so years old. It is, and always was, a folly, built by local residents to celebrate the restoration of the monarchy after the English Civil War.  This had been a staunchly Parliamentarian town, which is likely to have inspired such a public show of loyalty to the new king:

At the dark end of Bridge Street, the Christmas lights are reflected in the windows of a still unlet Woolworths.

And did I mention it was raining?

by Sassafras on Mon Dec 7th, 2009 at 05:48:43 PM EST
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I keep getting this error message on my PC.  Do you think it's trying to tell me something?

by Sassafras on Tue Dec 8th, 2009 at 12:25:18 PM EST
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by Sassafras on Wed Dec 9th, 2009 at 04:14:31 PM EST
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...if you're me, to take rather pitiful pictures of Christmas lights.

I was at Birmingham's Frankfurt market yesterday.  I had a monopod, but it was crowded, pouring with rain, I had the kids with me...etc...etc...all I managed to do was shoot off a few quick frames at different shutter speeds and mostly got out-of-focus pictures of people's heads and umbrellas where they stepped into the shot.

Enough of excuses.  This is probably the best of a very bad lot:

What are the experts' tips for photographing Christmas lights?

by Sassafras on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 04:53:45 AM EST
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I dunno, but this one is cool...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 05:07:25 AM EST
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I wanted to go but couldn't find a cheap ticket and nobody volunteers to go on the M25 if they can avoid it.

What was it like ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 12:29:47 PM EST
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I thought it was pretty good.  It has a reputation for being a rip-off, but, relative to Germany or the continental street markets we get here, everything seemed quite reasonably priced.  Lots of food stalls, though not many "proper" German decorations stalls, and you couldn't get near those there were.  Otherwise, craft stalls and wooden puzzle stalls: that sort of thing.

Oh, and there were some beer stalls too...  :)

by Sassafras on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 02:08:02 PM EST
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I like it - I'd never know it was Birmingham!

I lost the lens cap on my 50mm and it has been enough to keep me from using the camera everyday since my other lenses are just that too big to have in the bag when I have other stuff to carry too.  Plus the weather is uninspiring...

I must improve!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 01:39:47 PM EST
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Well, I've started on a weekend where I have Been Somewhere both days. Let's see if I manage to produce a picture on a working Monday...

I haven't had a chance to have a good look at the...cough...180 pictures from this afternoon.  But when I saw this on the way home, I felt like I had to pull over:

by Sassafras on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 04:46:36 PM EST
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Wow!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 7th, 2009 at 03:00:51 AM EST
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