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It's time to give up the dream of home ownership, says minister - UK Politics, UK - The Independent
The era in which all Britons aspire to own their own home may be coming to an end, according to the Housing minister, John Healey. In a controversial speech, he suggested that Britain may be moving towards a European model, with renting on a roughly equal footing with buying. He said home ownership had fallen from 71 per cent of households in 2003 to 68 per cent today, noting that this trend began in 2005, well before the recession. "I'm not sure that's such a bad thing," he said.

(I repeat my view: Britain is part of Europe, even if usually in denial.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Dec 11th, 2009 at 02:15:17 PM EST
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Red faces as latest claims are revealed - UK Politics, UK - The Independent
...it was Quentin Davies, the defence minister, who was facing the most searching questions following the disclosure that he put in an invoice for £20,700 for repairs to his constituency home in Lincolnshire.

The work was evenly divided between shoring up its decorative belltower and replacing gutters on the main roof of the house. Mr Davies, who defected to Labour from the Tories in 2007, sent the bill to the Commons fees office in a bundle of receipts in February.

...Other senior Tories also faced embarrassment over the latest expenses revelations. Andrew Lansley, the shadow Health Secretary, submitted a £3,500 claim for the cost of insuring a medal and a painting. James Arbuthnot, the Tory chairman of Commons Defence Committee, submitted perhaps the most bizarre claim - for the cost of three garlic peelers, bought for £43 from the QVC Shopping channel.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Dec 11th, 2009 at 02:15:36 PM EST
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housing is artificially expensive in the UK because the housing stock is delierately held below demand.

I admit there are issues that most of the demand is in areas where there is genuinely a shortage of land, but the actual shortage is nothing like as bad as it appears to be.

also the refusal of government to build council housing to reduce the demand on housing over the last 30 years is cowardly and short sighted. Given the constraints, rented housing doesn't work in the UK because it's more expensive than purchased property.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Dec 11th, 2009 at 05:15:07 PM EST
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Given the constraints, rented housing doesn't work in the UK because it's more expensive than purchased property.

For the 4 years I lived in London I could not have afforded the monthly payments on a mortgage on the properties I could afford to rent. Of course that was at the peak of the housing bubble, but still the conventional wisdom was that owning was cheaper...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 04:46:37 AM EST
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people don't see that interest payments are no different from home rental payments (you're "renting" the money), ie build up no capital. And when comparing renting to owning, you'd need to add up the impact of the amounts (for the difference between your mortgage payment and your rental for an euivalent place) that you'd save and, presumably get income on.

In practice, the main advantage of buying used to be that it represented a form of forced saving, allowing you to build up your patrimony. But with interest-only, 2/28, resettable and other fancy loans where you paid almost exclusively interest, the borrowers did not accumulate any equity unless there was a price increase... but they were on the hook for asset value losses.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 10:14:49 AM EST
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In the UK market, property almost always accumulates. The whole point of "buy-to-let" mortgages that were major creators of the recent property bubble here is that you don't pay off the equity, rental pays the interest and inflation increases the capital stake.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 10:29:09 AM EST
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that's exactly what I said: interest payment and rent are substitutable, and actual wealth accumulation only comes from asset price inflation, a highly risky bet to make when you carry the risk of the downside (prices going down).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 10:58:15 AM EST
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Maybe, but that is a twist cos up until a few years ago mortgage repayments were invariably much less than the rental on similar properties. It was saving up the 10 - 20% downpayment that were the problems.

However, what you're demonstrating is that the artificail shortage of property in london was forcing rental into ridiculous areas as well. There are believed to be over a million empty properties within the M25. If they came on the market they'd trash current property and rental prices.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 10:27:02 AM EST
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