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The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 12:14:48 PM EST
Economist Paul Samuelson Dies at 94 - WSJ.com

Paul A. Samuelson, whose analytical work laid the foundation for modern economics, died Sunday. He was 94.

"Paul Samuelson was both a path-breaking and prolific economic theorist and one of the greatest teachers that economics has ever known," said Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke, a former student of Mr. Samuelson's at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. "I join with many other former students and colleagues of Paul's in mourning the passing of a titan of economics."

Actively publishing into the 2000s, Mr. Samuelson's career in economics spanned eight decades. As a high school student in 1932, he wandered into an economics lecture at the University of Chicago and was enamored. But attending Chicago as an undergraduate, he became keenly aware, he said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal earlier this year, of the differences between what was being taught in the classroom and "what I heard out the windows and I heard from the street."

In 1935 he went, despite his Chicago professors' protestations, to Harvard University for his graduate work. His 1941 Ph.D. thesis, later published as "Foundations of Economic Analysis," examined the mathematical structure underlying economics. The approach revolutionized the field.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 12:29:48 PM EST
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with Samuelson and Friedman both out of the way, maybe Economics can actually progress again?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 12:31:29 PM EST
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you must be joking. "Economics" is a way of life, an ethos, a calculating ontology, whose only moral determinate is quantity expressed by a number greater than an other number.

Quality requires examination of desire.

But even the most uneducated, cretinous, or indigent individual is capable of employing this formula of reasoning to describe the finite universe through which he and she journey --if pressed by some detractractor.

The popularity of "economics" is assured for all time.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 04:24:45 PM EST
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Studies indicate Neo-Classical Economics is a treatable psycho-epistemological dysfunction.  A necessary intervention is to remove the patient from environmental reinforcement.  This may be through confining the patient in a mental institution, at the last resort, although Out Patient care is an option as long as they attend group sessions and their environmental stimuli is carefully monitored.  

The Wall St. Journal is right out.

While I'm not a fan of 'talky-talk' clinical methodologies these have shown success in some cases.  

Other treatments are somewhat more problematical as the APA hasn't validated a anti-economics psychopharmaceutical.  Only limited, anecdotal, and ad-hoc studies have been conducted in this area.

Generally speaking, those suffering from NCE are high functioning and Cognitive Therapy offers them their best avenue to achieving mental health.

by ATinNM on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 04:55:35 PM EST
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LSD therapy might be indicated.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 10:32:05 PM EST
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I'm not joking, looking at good (from my point of view) economics such as Smith, Mill, Veblen, Keynes, Galbraith, Minsky, Keen... there's hope.

Of course most of the authors I cited as "good economics" are not even considered economics by heterodox economists...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 05:53:34 PM EST
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Of course most of the authors I cited as "good economics" are not even considered economics by heterodox economists...

As the last four of the cited authors are heterodox economists, I presume you meant "orthodox economists." As we are getting good at performing automatic error correction on our unintentional misstatements, perhaps this comment is superfluous.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 10:36:23 PM EST
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Never superfluous, thanks.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 02:59:22 AM EST
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I think the problem is less the "discipline" of Economics, rather that there is an awful lot of money, prstige and consequent authoritative status to be achieved if your "work" and "research" supports the Chicago school status quo.

The other people you cite have been marginalised, not so much by later work, as by interests who prefer different truths.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:22:09 AM EST
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Drug money saved banks in global crisis, claims UN advisor | World news | The Observer

Drugs money worth billions of dollars kept the financial system afloat at the height of the global crisis, the United Nations' drugs and crime tsar has told the Observer.

Antonio Maria Costa, head of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, said he has seen evidence that the proceeds of organised crime were "the only liquid investment capital" available to some banks on the brink of collapse last year. He said that a majority of the $352bn (£216bn) of drugs profits was absorbed into the economic system as a result.

This will raise questions about crime's influence on the economic system at times of crisis. It will also prompt further examination of the banking sector as world leaders, including Barack Obama and Gordon Brown, call for new International Monetary Fund regulations. Speaking from his office in Vienna, Costa said evidence that illegal money was being absorbed into the financial system was first drawn to his attention by intelligence agencies and prosecutors around 18 months ago. "In many instances, the money from drugs was the only liquid investment capital. In the second half of 2008, liquidity was the banking system's main problem and hence liquid capital became an important factor," he said.

Some of the evidence put before his office indicated that gang money was used to save some banks from collapse when lending seized up, he said.

"Inter-bank loans were funded by money that originated from the drugs trade and other illegal activities... There were signs that some banks were rescued that way." Costa declined to identify countries or banks that may have received any drugs money, saying that would be inappropriate because his office is supposed to address the problem, not apportion blame. But he said the money is now a part of the official system and had been effectively laundered.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 12:34:07 PM EST
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Oh, but this would require an evidence based policy on drugs that has useful cost-benefit analysis on societal harm. But that would make everyone's heads explode.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 04:11:45 PM EST
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Profil: Der Suchtgiftmarkt in Zeiten der Krise: UN-Drogenbekämpfer Costa im Interview
Interview: Martin Staudinger, profil.at

profil: Und der andere Teil?
Costa: Der wird durch Geldwäsche in den legalen Wirtschaftskreislauf eingespeist. Wir wissen nicht, wie viel, aber das Volumen ist stattlich. Per se, von der makroökonomischen Auswirkung betrachtet, wird damit einfach Investmentkapital eingebracht. Es gibt Anzeichen dafür, dass dieses Geld auch im Finanzsektor landet, der seit der zweiten Hälfte des vergangenen Jahres offensichtlich unter Druck steht.

profil: In welcher Form geschieht das?
Costa: Es sieht aus, als seien Interbank-Kredite durch Geldmittel finanziert worden, die aus dem Drogenhandel und anderen illegalen Aktivitäten kommen. Es ist natürlich schwer, das zu beweisen, aber es gibt Hinweise, dass manche Banken auf diese Art und Weise gerettet wurden.

profil: Wie darf man sich das vorstellen? Der Drogenboss wird ja kaum zu seiner Filiale marschieren und dort Bargeld einzahlen, um einen Bankenkonkurs zu verhindern.
Costa: Nein, aber vielfach ist Drogengeld derzeit das einzige verfügbare liquide Investmentkapital - etwa, um Immobilien zu kaufen. In der zweiten Hälfte des Jahres 2008 wiederum war Liquidität das größte Problem des Bankensystems, und damit wurde flüssiges Kapital zu einem wichtigen Faktor.

profil: And the other part?
Costa: The is injected into the legitimate economy through money laundering cycle. We do not know how much, but the volume is impressive. Considered per se, the macroeconomic impact is thus introduced just investment capital. There is evidence that this money ends up in the financial sector, which is obvious since the second half of last year under pressure.

profil: In what way does this happen?
Costa: It looks as though interbank lending has been financed by money coming from drug trafficking and other illegal activities. It is of course difficult to prove this, but there are indications that some banks have been saved in this way.

profil: As one may imagine that? The drug boss is indeed difficult to march to his office and then pay cash to avoid bank bankruptcy.
Costa: No, but in many cases drug money is currently the only available liquid capital investment - for example, to buy real estate. In the second half of 2008, liquidity was again the biggest problem of the banking system, and thus liquid capital has become an important factor.


by Magnifico on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 05:39:25 PM EST
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that would be inappropriate because his office is supposed to address the problem, not apportion blame

now theres a quote and a half.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 08:49:15 PM EST
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because his office is supposed to address the problem, not apportion blame step on toes.
Fixed.

I say again: Put return on investment in one pan of the balance and put all other alleged values in the other and ROI outweighs them all.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 10:44:38 PM EST
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Chinese Firm Strikes Deal to Produce Saab Models - NYTimes.com

Even as other potential buyers circle Saab, Beijing Automotive Industry Holding has struck a tentative agreement for the right to produce several of the beleaguered Swedish manufacturer's models.

If completed, people close to the negotiations said Sunday, the agreement would allow Beijing Automotive to produce older versions of the Saab 9-3 and 9-5 in China, but not prevent a separate deal for the entire company, a unit of General Motors.

The fate of Saab's 3,500 workers in Trollhattan, Sweden, was uncertain, however, following the unexpected collapse last month of a deal between G.M. and the high-end automaker Koenigsegg for Saab.

Nevertheless, a pact with state-owned Beijing Automotive "would be good for Sweden, good for China and good for Saab," according to a Saab official who insisted on anonymity because the discussions were not final.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 12:53:55 PM EST
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Summers to Bankers: 'They've Got Obligations' - George's Bottom Line

When I asked top White House economic advisor Larry Summers if the President needs to encourage banks to do more lending, he told me that bankers "need to recognize that they've got obligations to the country after all that's been done for them, and there is a lot more they can do."

Tomorrow, the President will meet with heads of the country's biggest banks and Summers told me the White House has a blunt message: "President Obama is going to be talking with them about what they can do to support enhanced lending to customers across the country.

"We were there for them. And the banks need to do everything they can to be sure they're there for customers across this country."



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 12:58:07 PM EST
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And the banks need to do everything they can to be sure they're there for customers across this country.

Oh, but they have been there for them, and how! THAT is what needs discussion.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 10:49:19 PM EST
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Message Intercepted | American Banking News | 13 Dec 2009

President Obama and his team of economic advisors lashed out at large-cap banks calling bank executives "fat cats" that "don't get it" in a move that will certainly escalate tensions between the nation's largest banks ahead of a meeting between the White House and industry executive.

Mr. Obama, speaking just one day before tomorrow's meetings with the heads of top banks at the White House, said that he would attempt to convince bankers to free up more credit for businesses, in hopes of boosting job growth during an interview to be broadcast on CBS' "60 Minutes" program.

During his interview, President Obama expressed frustration with banks that the government provided assistance to, including JP Morgan Chase (NYSE: JPM), Citigroup (NYSE: C), Bank of America (NYSE: BAC) and others.

"I did not run for office to be helping out a bunch of fat cat bankers on Wall Street," said Mr. Obama.

Translation: Una panoonah banka

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 12:56:28 AM EST
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Unless the executive is willing to curtail banks with decrees and laws, this is all grandstanding.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 04:34:39 AM EST
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"Buh Weet Sings" old standards that are "eternally his".

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 11:02:46 AM EST
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Cat:
"I did not run for office to be helping out a bunch of fat cat bankers on Wall Street," said Mr. Obama.
He's going to need to start overruling his economic advisors, then...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 04:45:59 AM EST
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Let us assume that "his economic advisors" are not individjools such as Mr Summers who've assured the public that they agree with the president. (See lede comment.)

Why doesn't Mr Obama appeal to the law of his nation, the United States, to overrule his economic advisors?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 11:15:26 AM EST
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Shorter KyleKrol: "I am on a mission from God."

re: OTS cover-up of WaMu seizure and immediate sale to JPM

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 10:56:21 PM EST
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Goldman Trades Shouldn't Get U.S. Aid, Volcker Says

Dec. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Goldman Sachs Group Inc., which took $10 billion in U.S. bailout funds last year, shouldn't get taxpayer support if the firm focuses on trading over banking, according to former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker.

The "safety net" provided by the U.S. government "should not be extended beyond the core commercial-banking business," Volcker, 82, said in an interview yesterday at Deutsche Bank AG's Berlin office, where he was attending a conference. "They can do trading and do anything they want, but then they shouldn't have access to the safety net."

Goldman Sachs, the most profitable investment bank in Wall Street history, has reaped more than 90 percent of its pretax earnings this year from trading and so-called principal investments, which include market bets on securities and stakes in companies. The other 10 percent came from advising clients on takeovers and capital-raising and from asset management, which includes managing hedge funds and buyout funds.

When the collapse of smaller rival Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. triggered a crisis of investor confidence last year, regulators allowed Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley, another competitor, to convert into bank holding companies. That put the New York-based firms under the Fed's purview and gave them access to cheap funding.

The two firms received federal guarantees on new debt issues, as did commercial banks and some companies with financing businesses, such as General Electric Co.


Too bad Obama can't find anyone under 80 who has gravitas, good sense and integrity. At least he hasn't so far.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 12:08:08 AM EST
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Abu Dhabi gives Dubai $10 billion in surprise bailout

DUBAI (Reuters) - Abu Dhabi stepped in to help fellow United Arab Emirates member Dubai with a $10 billion injection, of which $4.1 billion was allocated to troubled state-owned conglomerate Dubai World to pay immediate obligations, Dubai said on Monday.

The move was the least expected of all options Dubai had on the table after requesting a standstill on $26 billion in Dubai World debt on November 25, alarming markets and shaking the image of the emirate as a regional business hub.

"The government of Abu Dhabi has agreed to fund $10 billion to the Dubai Financial Support Fund that will be used to satisfy a series of upcoming obligations on Dubai World," the chairman of the Dubai Supreme Fiscal Committee said in a statement.

"As a first action for the new fund, the government of Dubai has authorized $4.1 billion to be used to pay the sukuk obligations that are due today."


There wouldn't be a message in the timing of the bail-out, would there?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 12:51:45 AM EST
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Cleaners 'worth more to society' than bankers - study
By Martin Shankleman, BBC News

Hospital cleaners are worth more to society than bankers, a study suggests. The research, carried out by think tank the New Economics Foundation, says hospital cleaners create £10 of value for every £1 they are paid.

It claims bankers are a drain on the country because of the damage they caused to the global economy. They reportedly destroy £7 of value for every £1 they earn. Meanwhile, senior advertising executives are said to "create stress".

The study says they are responsible for campaigns which create dissatisfaction and misery, and encourage over-consumption. And tax accountants damage the country by devising schemes to cut the amount of money available to the government, the research suggests.

by Magnifico on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 01:18:51 AM EST
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The late Polish sci-fi author Stanisław Lem, in one of his two hyper-dense non-fiction books Fiction and Futurology, blasted Asimov for wasting his talent on silly nonsensical stories. What he saw as example of a flight of fancy without internal logic was the short story Strikebreaker, which is set in a closed community absolutely dependent on sewage treatment, but the man operating it is despised by everyone all the same. Lem thought it was silly to assume that people holding such an important job would be at the bottom of society. I thought Lem was showing a rare bout of naivity.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:18:42 AM EST
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Didn't Lem know anything about human history!!??

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:21:46 AM EST
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He also evidently knew nothing about the Untouchable castes in India.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:25:56 AM EST
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No shit, Sherlock!

Of course, this will come as a shock to anyone who believes that wages equal marginal productivity.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 05:24:30 AM EST
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