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When is a tunnel a tunnel? Are there length requirements? Also I learned the difference between a Bahnhof and a Haltepunkt. The former has at least one set of points...

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Oh and very atmospheric pictures!

by PeWi on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 09:04:50 AM EST
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That gets increasingly blurred, but not due to length requirements. (BTW, according to Wikipedia, the Kleiner Krausel-Tunnel is 13.82 m.)

  1. In some countries (f.e. Spain), there has been a strict distinction between bored tunnels and cut-and-cover tunnels, the latter being called 'false tunnels'. However, nowadays tunnels often have both kinds of sections.

  2. That's easy, but what do you count into the length of the tunnel at the St. Pancras end of the Channel Tunnel Rail Link? There, the bored tunnel is continued by closed tubes -- which also function as bridges above the tracks ino Kings Cross...

  3. Subways are an issue, too: should the sections between stations count as a single tunnel, or an entire line - or the entire network, if there are lots of bifurcations and sections co-usded by multiple lines? Or just deny subway tunnels the title of 'tunnel'.

  4. Even if you ditch subways, what about the in-construction Wienerwald and Lainzer tunnels into Vienna? The first ends not at the surface but a junction at the end of the second, so it's like one single tunnel with exits in the middle -- well, except for the other end of the second, which branches out in three directions...

  5. As an opposite complication, consider the Inntaltunnel and the future Brenner Base Tunnel near Innsbruck. These are at right angles, but there will be an underground connection. The freight trains that shall use it will traverse the longest tunnel section in the world, but is it one tunnel, or two, or three?...


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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 10:55:54 AM EST
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Also I learned the difference between a Bahnhof and a Haltepunkt. The former has at least one set of points...

Basically. It can get more complicated -- some stops do have switches, some stations no longer have them... The distinction matters for signalling and dispatching, because in some countries, above all Germany, stations have different traffic rules than open lines (e.g. how a train can be stopped or sent on its way, how and when shunting can be done...).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 11:02:30 AM EST
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There is also the issue of collapsed tunnels. Pike's Peak is made of a type of granite that crumbles easily, so while it is formally considered a "hard rock" from the mining viewpoint, many of the short original tunnels on the various lines eventually collapsed, leaving what appear to be cuts. This messes up the tunnel numbering system...

by asdf on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 12:41:44 PM EST
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Speaking of collapsed.  I climbed Pike's Peak twice (when I was young).  Thirteen miles, all up hill, from 6K to 14k feet. As a flatlander, I can tell you I was one tired, sore pup, expecially after the first climb.  I could sympathize with those tunnels.

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by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Dec 6th, 2009 at 04:01:15 PM EST
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