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A lot of people could be soaked up in retail as well.  Super-efficient producer-consumer sales allow for low prices and good profits, but several layers of middlemen take that same money and put extra people to work.  Inefficiency employs people.
by Zwackus on Wed Dec 9th, 2009 at 05:26:32 PM EST
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Why is this A Good Thing, again?

If you can perform the same economic function (deliver bread and fruit from the producer to the consumer) with 10 people, why should we feel the urge to employ 20 people?

I can see the appeal of employing 20 people for half as long, but that's a slightly different point, and tangential to this diary.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 9th, 2009 at 08:30:11 PM EST
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Well, it's a form of social redistribution.  Instead of all the profit from a sale going into one set of hands, its distributed in smaller doses amongst a variety of hands.

It's how a lot of Japan did business until fairly recently, and seems to have a lot of social-fabric-supporting side-benefits, so I thought I'd mention in.

I have a larger theory on inefficiency and its benefits, but that really demands a diary.

by Zwackus on Wed Dec 9th, 2009 at 11:04:33 PM EST
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If you want to distribute the workload, which is something I can certainly get behind, there's the much simpler expedient of reducing the "full-time" work week.

Now, a lot of what was called "inefficiency" in Japan my actually have been a matter of providing better customer service than we are used to in The WestTM to people who did not pay extra for it. Which would show up as lower productivity, because such things as customer service only show up in productivity statistics when somebody gets billed for it.

But that is a problem with the way our national accounts work, not an argument in favour of inefficiency...

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Dec 9th, 2009 at 11:10:02 PM EST
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Now, a lot of what was called "inefficiency" in Japan my actually have been a matter of providing better customer service than we are used to in The WestTM to people who did not pay extra for it. Which would show up as lower productivity, because such things as customer service only show up in productivity statistics when somebody gets billed for it.

That gets to the problem of our social/economic ideology. Even though business people are always concerned with having a "well educated" work force, I do not believe that the costs of the production of that work force are well included, if at all, in the economic theories that are the basis for that ideology, and, in effect, that the existence of labor is an externality. On a popular level we just assume the necessary labor of the necessary skill will appear when needed, complain bitterly when it does not and assume it can go into hibernation when not needed. I hope some of the models are more sophisticated, but I doubt that the views of a majority of those who shape economic policy are. Indeed we still have adherents of old line Chicago School Economics who believe that depressions are due to people voluntarily withholding their labor from the market.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Dec 10th, 2009 at 12:46:44 AM EST
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