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... understanding all its traditions. I especially like this clear explanation of the new plan.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Feb 11th, 2009 at 02:21:11 PM EST
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Geithner might not give them up, but that might be his successor's first assignment.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Feb 11th, 2009 at 11:29:27 PM EST
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... Geithner proposal is who the "them" is ... if the banks turn out to be unable to service their debt and senior preferred shares, then the recourse is to convert senior preferred shares to common shares to dilute the equity of the shareholders.

The solution to not having enough money to pull toxic assets out of the system to get enough of the toxic assets out of the hands of all of the big money center banks to ensure that they can continue to act as big money center banks ... rather than the alternate view of the task at hand, in the terms of ensuring a sufficient subsystem of non-zombie banks to be able to provide the finance sector services required by Main Street if there is a recovery in 2010 or 2011 ... is to subsidize the acquisition of toxic assets by speculators.

The "them" he is not giving up is the senior management and overpaid specialists for the big money center banks. And, seemingly, he continues to view a main function of the banking system to act as a middleman between financial individuals and financial markets, with hundreds of billions of dollars under his direct control to be aimed at socializing losses so that the process can continue.

IOW, the people that have to be the main target of any hidden nationalization of the banking system aimed at ensuring that what was once its primary function (but which it "outgrew" over the past thirty years in the "market centric" Anglo disease countries) is not sacrificed to acting as a middleman between wealthy individuals and financial markets.

However, bank shareholders ... many of them, indirectly, small individuals and small business via the pension funds, insurance companies and other institutional investors providing "Main Street" financial services ... well, if it goes pear shaped, they can take a haircut. You gotta have your priorities, after all.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Feb 12th, 2009 at 07:10:21 AM EST
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Geithner's ultimate goal seems to be to restart the loan securitisation engine... I don't think that can happen, and I hope if it could happen it will be stopped by the likes of Rep Capuano (D - Mass).

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 12th, 2009 at 08:10:01 AM EST
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... the basic depository institution function is a "money engine" ... acting as a depository institution whose liabilities function as money allows the depository institution to create new liabilities to finance new lending (with fiat currency reserve requirements acting as a governor on the process).

The financial middleman function, on the other hand, is not an engine, but just a transmission.

But if you the textbooks for Money and Banking ... even the so-called "New Keynesian" textbooks ... the role of the Finance Sector is the middleman function, and even though there are chapters that describe the money creating function of depository instituutions in some detail, the fact that this is not a financial middleman function and so the depository institutions are more than simply middlemen ...

... well, that is not in there.

And we have raised more than a generation of college students going into the finance sector on this blinkered monetarist view of the finance sector, that money is somehow dropped on the economy by heicopters and banks are supposed to be just one more type of financial middleman.

It could well be that Geitner in reality simply does not know that he is working on fixing the oversized monetary transmission when the problem is that the monetary engine is not only broken, but is a too small engine trying to drive a too large transmission to make an effective drive train.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Feb 13th, 2009 at 07:03:34 AM EST
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Gah!
And we have raised more than a generation of college students going into the finance sector on this blinkered monetarist view of the finance sector, that money is somehow dropped on the economy by heicopters and banks are supposed to be just one more type of financial middleman.
The structural problem seems to be that just about anyone with some schooling in economics in the last 30 years (and that would mean just about anyone under 50 with some schooling in economics) has a blinkered monetarist view of the economy (let alone of the finance sector). And what makes this even worse is the masses of people who have just had a one-time "introduction to economics" course or have read some "economics explains everything" paperback from some airport newsstand. Because it makes it harder for heterodox economists like yourself to get your point across as you don't only have to explain things but you have to get people to unlearn what they think they know.

In other words, even if a group of heterodox economists led a revolution, the slightly educated masses wouldn't follow.

A little learning is a dangerous thing.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 13th, 2009 at 07:18:31 AM EST
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... that make the wrecklist at Agent Orange, and never any Econ diaries. "Saving" as adding to a Dragon's Hoard that will increase societies real productive capacity when "the time comes to spend it" ... that is even more deeply entrenched than the "gas tax is political suicide" meme.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:06:14 PM EST
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"Saving" as adding to a Dragon's Hoard that will increase societies real productive capacity when "the time comes to spend it" ... that is even more deeply entrenched than the "gas tax is political suicide" meme.
I'll dig up Keynes' rather short demolition of that in The General Theory...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:12:37 PM EST
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... demolished, readers have to be in a mood to permit concepts to be demolished in order to avoid the, "well, there's a plausible sounding bit of bullshit" reaction.

And of course, Agent Orange is designed to avoid undermining people's basic prejudices.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Feb 13th, 2009 at 12:55:21 PM EST
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... with a diary about how stupid John Boehner (R-OH) is to be complaining about the $8b for HSR, claiming it was a pet project for Harry Reid to get a bullet train from Las Vegas to Hollywood, when the money is for designated HSR corridor, of which there are TWO here in Boehner's home state of Ohio and NONE in Nevada.

You're From Ohio, You Idiot, Don't Screw With Our Train

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Feb 14th, 2009 at 09:50:43 PM EST
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File this under vague suspicions clarified and confirmed.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Feb 12th, 2009 at 02:34:47 PM EST
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