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by Sassafras on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 07:10:58 AM EST
BBC NEWS | UK | Nuclear subs 'collide in ocean'

Meanwhile, SNP Westminster leader Angus Robertson has called for a government statement.

"The Ministry of Defence needs to explain how it is possible for a submarine carrying weapons of mass destruction to collide with another submarine carrying weapons of mass destruction in the middle of the world's second-largest ocean," he said.

Yep.

I'm guessing a joint exercise seems most likely.

Or it could have been a random visit from the Unlikely Nuclear Accident Fairy.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 07:33:23 AM EST
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What would those two subs have been doing on a shared exercise?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 07:38:15 AM EST
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Making love, not war?

We're trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death.
by davel on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 07:46:05 AM EST
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No doubt there will be a Steve Bell cartoon covering this in the very near future...

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 10:12:47 AM EST
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Here it is -- Steve Bell's take:

by Magnifico on Tue Feb 17th, 2009 at 01:59:25 AM EST
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Best comment of the day.
by jjellin on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 10:35:58 AM EST
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They were probably chasing eachother and then, something went wrong. You know, boys playing with toys, who has the fastest sub?

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." (Einstein)
by B girl on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 07:47:40 AM EST
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Playing hide and seek (presumably jointly with attack submarines). Which is good training for their real mission, which is (i) hide and shoot or (ii) seek and destroy.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 07:57:11 AM EST
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Or the english were on the wrong side of the sea..

"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." (Einstein)
by B girl on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 08:00:07 AM EST
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I'm guessing a joint exercise seems most likely.

Especially when considering this detail:

But Sir Jonathon confirmed that HMS Vanguard had been involved.

"Recently, the two submarines came into contact at very low speed," he said.

Another possibility is that they have detected each other, and both tried to simultaneously 'disappear' and find the other.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 10:23:24 AM EST
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No you'd expect any submarine contact to take place at very low speed. The main source of noise from submarine are either from mechanical equipment inside the submarine, pumps, engines etc or from an effect called cavitation. This mainly occurs from the tips and forward edges of the propeller where small bubbles are created on flaws in its leading edge.  This can be minimised by reducing speed, so when attempting to run silently, submarines are generally limited to roughly 3 knots of speed or less, depending on surface design of propeller blades.

You'd only expect high speed submarine impacts from attack submariens, that use a technique that involves sprints then drifts to create an artificial baseline for triangulating acoustic targets while hunting other submarines.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 10:41:49 AM EST
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Another possibility is that they have detected each other, and both tried to simultaneously 'disappear' and find the other.

You mean like hide and go seek?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 11:46:44 AM EST
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The professional version.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 12:55:37 PM EST
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You mean Marco ...... Polo

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 01:04:13 PM EST
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following from

(starts 1:10 in)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Feb 16th, 2009 at 01:25:50 PM EST
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