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That sounds ominous.

Murdering union organisers is something I'd expect from third-rate banana republics, not European countries.

Sounds like we might end up partying like we're back in '99 after all... only, back in 1899 rather than 1999.

As an aside, your second link does not take me anywhere.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 06:31:00 AM EST
The strange thing is that the union leader appears to have been murdered by young protesters - those that have set up blockades or roads. The circumstances are not clear yet, but seem unrelated to protests or negotiations. In other words, that person is not a victim because it's a union representative. But it's still a murder linked to the unrest, and it's not goign to help.

But Martinique and Guadeloupe are in every possible meaning the clsoest thing to a banana republic we have in Europe.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 07:51:29 AM EST
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I was Guadeloupe for a few weeks in 2006. My overall impression: "creepy, dangerous, and under-policed". I felt a lot safer in Venezuela (although I never was in Caracas).
by PIGL on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 07:58:17 AM EST
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Yes, I visited in 1996 and my impression then was already "a thin layer of France on top of nasty racial tension and poverty".

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 09:43:07 AM EST
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This morning's Radio France news broadcasts mentioned everything about these incidents, especially that three policemen were slightly injured by firearms. But not a word about the death of the union leader.

Which to me would appear to mean that the authorities were sitting on the news, at least at 6:00-7:00 CET.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 08:50:04 AM EST
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Actually, the events timeline makes it possible. The news broke on Europe1 Radio after 10:00 CET (4:00 in Guadeloupe).

Un mort en Guadeloupe, un rescapé témoigne - Actualité France - Société - Radio Europe1 One dead in Guadeloupe, a survivor witnesses - News France - Society - Radio Europe1
C'est en accompagnant des pompiers venus porter secours à ce syndicaliste que trois policiers ont été légèrement blessés par des tirs de plombs, provenant "vraisemblablement d'une arme de chasse". Les secours avaient été prévenus vers 00H18 (heure locale) de la présence d'une personne blessée par balle à bord d'un véhicule. Mais après avoir essuyé des tirs de projectiles, ils ont demandé à la police de les accompagner. Et ce n'est qu'une fois le site "sécurisé", vers 02H50, qu'ils ont pu approcher du syndicaliste, entre-temps décédé.It was while escorting firefighters who were going to the unionist's assistance that three policemen were slightly wounded by fire "probably from a hunting shotgun." Emergency services had been called at 00h18 (local time) and told of a person with gunshot wounds in a vehicle. But, faced with a barrage of projectiles, the firemen asked for a police escort. And only when the site was "secure", around 02H50, did they manage to get to the trade unionist, who had died in the meantime.

So the news that three policemen were injured could conceivably have got through before the news of the unionist's death.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 09:16:10 AM EST
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on Le Monde's website, via email alert at 11h01, so it was made public then. How much time was taken to try to sort things out on the ground is not clear, but the delays (a couple hours, in the middle of the night over there) do not appear illegitimate or fishy.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 09:45:12 AM EST
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Well, according to Le Monde:

La situation aux Antilles - Société - Le Monde.fr

10:30 - Jacques Pino, un membre du LKP abattu

Jacques Pino, un membre du "collectif contre l'exploitation" (LKP) a été tué vers 00h30 (heure locale) par une balle tirée "depuis un barrage tenu par des jeunes" dans la nuit de mardi à mercredi à Pointe-à-Pitre, indique la cellule de crise de la préfecture de la Guadeloupe. L'information a été donnée dans un premier temps par Europe 1.

But no, there's apparently nothing fishy.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 10:03:37 AM EST
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The one fishy thing is that the Police has already solved a crime despite being unable to inquire peacefully, i.e. being shot at as it approached.

How impossible would it be for at least some of the youth to be provocateurs ?

Apparently the state has now brought in the riot police, and has started arresting demonstrator - a bit of blood, attributable to the rioters, can be very convenient.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 10:10:41 AM EST
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do it, here in the States.  

The Fates are kind.
by Gaianne on Thu Feb 19th, 2009 at 01:28:31 AM EST
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there is nothing fishy - just that the timing of the announcement, in itself, is not suspicious.

As you and linca point out, there ARE other suspicious facts.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 10:16:29 AM EST
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Yes, my point above was that information may have been retained by the authorities, because that was the way it could look considering that police casualties were announced without a word about the unionist. It no longer seems to look that way.

But who killed the unionist, and why? That's another question.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 10:46:55 AM EST
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The French Antilles economy is in the hands of a small group of heirs of the former colonists. They often enjoy monopoly privileges. Look at this group: Groupe Bernard Hayot. It controls huge swaths of the local economy.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 08:52:19 AM EST
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And not just the French Antilles. I see that GBH has interests in Trinidad and Tobago, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Algeria and Morocco. It's as if decolonisation never happened.

Among other things, GBH owns the Citroën importer in Algeria, something I would have expected to be owned by Citroën itself or a local Algerian tycoon. I also notice that a lot of GBH's business seems to involve running franchised branches for big French retailers, trading on their names and reputations.

by Gag Halfrunt on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 02:18:22 PM EST
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"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen." (Einstein)
by B girl on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 11:01:14 AM EST
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JakeS:
Murdering union organisers is something I'd expect from third-rate banana republics, not European countries.

As a rule of thumb, colonies that has been to weak to break from their former master often resemble third-rate banana republics.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 11:46:52 AM EST
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Well, colonies that have been strong enough to break from their former master often resemble third-rate banana republics too ;)

OTOH, the thirteen North American colonies that broke away from their English master finally managed to become...

Oh, wait. Forget about it...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 11:58:20 AM EST
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As a rule of thumb, colonies that has been to weak to break from their former master often resemble third-rate banana republics.

Having traveled through the Caribbean at various times, I can assure you that quality of life in the non-independent islands (Martinique, Guadeloupe) is way, way above that in the independent ones (St Vincent, St Lucie, etc). Some of these places are good examples of hell under the tropic sun.

There would be one exception : the Virgin Islands, Tortola being a more civilised place than St Thomas.

I'd be curious to see the figures, but I assume a lot more money flows into the french islands than the opposite.
The real problem seems to be the leechers living off this financial stream.

I am no expert, but I'd say the natural ressource would be tourism, and it's just not competitive with the Dominican Republic or Cuba : high costs, not enough local production, etc.
I don't see an easy way to development over there. Just as in many places, too few resources for the number of people and the way of life they are expecting.

by balbuz on Thu Feb 19th, 2009 at 01:52:58 AM EST
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