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Social unrest turning nasty in France | 45 comments (45 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Social unrest turning nasty in France (none / 0)

Actually, the events timeline makes it possible. The news broke on Europe1 Radio after 10:00 CET (4:00 in Guadeloupe).

Un mort en Guadeloupe, un rescapé témoigne - Actualité France - Société - Radio Europe1		One dead in Guadeloupe, a survivor witnesses - News France - Society - Radio Europe1
C'est en accompagnant des pompiers venus porter secours à ce syndicaliste que trois policiers ont été légèrement blessés par des tirs de plombs, provenant "vraisemblablement d'une arme de chasse". Les secours avaient été prévenus vers 00H18 (heure locale) de la présence d'une personne blessée par balle à bord d'un véhicule. Mais après avoir essuyé des tirs de projectiles, ils ont demandé à la police de les accompagner. Et ce n'est qu'une fois le site "sécurisé", vers 02H50, qu'ils ont pu approcher du syndicaliste, entre-temps décédé.		It was while escorting firefighters who were going to the unionist's assistance that three policemen were slightly wounded by fire "probably from a hunting shotgun." Emergency services had been called at 00h18 (local time) and told of a person with gunshot wounds in a vehicle. But, faced with a barrage of projectiles, the firemen asked for a police escort. And only when the site was "secure", around 02H50, did they manage to get to the trade unionist, who had died in the meantime.

So the news that three policemen were injured could conceivably have got through before the news of the unionist's death.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 09:16:10 AM EST
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It came as breaking news (none / 0)

on Le Monde's website, via email alert at 11h01, so it was made public then. How much time was taken to try to sort things out on the ground is not clear, but the delays (a couple hours, in the middle of the night over there) do not appear illegitimate or fishy.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 09:45:12 AM EST
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Re: It came as breaking news (none / 0)

Well, according to Le Monde:

La situation aux Antilles - Société - Le Monde.fr

10:30 - Jacques Pino, un membre du LKP abattu
Jacques Pino, un membre du "collectif contre l'exploitation" (LKP) a été tué vers 00h30 (heure locale) par une balle tirée "depuis un barrage tenu par des jeunes" dans la nuit de mardi à mercredi à Pointe-à-Pitre, indique la cellule de crise de la préfecture de la Guadeloupe. L'information a été donnée dans un premier temps par Europe 1.

But no, there's apparently nothing fishy.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 10:03:37 AM EST
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Re: It came as breaking news (4.00 / 3)

The one fishy thing is that the Police has already solved a crime despite being unable to inquire peacefully, i.e. being shot at as it approached.

How impossible would it be for at least some of the youth to be provocateurs ?

Apparently the state has now brought in the riot police, and has started arresting demonstrator - a bit of blood, attributable to the rioters, can be very convenient.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 10:10:41 AM EST
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Provocateurs is certainly how they would (none / 1)

do it, here in the States.

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Thu Feb 19th, 2009 at 01:28:31 AM EST
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I am not saying (none / 0)

there is nothing fishy - just that the timing of the announcement, in itself, is not suspicious.

As you and linca point out, there ARE other suspicious facts.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 10:16:29 AM EST
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Re: I am not saying (none / 0)

Yes, my point above was that information may have been retained by the authorities, because that was the way it could look considering that police casualties were announced without a word about the unionist. It no longer seems to look that way.

But who killed the unionist, and why? That's another question.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 18th, 2009 at 10:46:55 AM EST
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