we've now been thru a few more threads of discussion, with much territory scoped.  There's been more valuable discussion on goals and aims, as well as the more technical side of the responsibilities of FPs, and separating personal from FP persona.  we've even looked a bit at who the commenters are, and how to structure ongoing "agora."

One area seems to be under-reported, basic human civility.  In many of the dust-ups, one can see (well, i see) some posters literally screeching, "I'm right!  My way or the highway!."  You can almost taste the acrid smoke of overheated ego.

I have little respect for people whose self-image depends on being recognized for their intellectual prowess.  While they may indeed have certain brilliance in their field, such prowess is often accompanied by lurking holes in personal development, which then get played out as sandbox behavior.

nobody here, especially in these very dark times, should act or think as if they possess some intellectual key which allows them to pass judgement on motive.  After unbridled ego and hubris have driven an already corrupt financial system into the ground, with nothing to replace it on the horizon,  our entire civilization, not merely ET, should be looking in the mirror at who we really are.

only the truly strong can respect an opinion they absolutely believe to be false when another wears it, and act with the inner strength of an evolved persona.

in the end it doesn't matter the structure of a system, or a blog.  What matters is the level of humanity brought to the interactive table.

    if the guide lacks trust in the people, then the trust of the people will be lacking
     the wise guide guards his words
     the wise guide sits serenely
     When the greatest session is over
     The people will say -

     "It all happened naturally"
        or
     "It was so simple, we did it all ourselves"

                      --- from Tim Leary's translation of Lao Tzu, speaking about how to guide a psychedelic session,
which may be at least as hard as moderating a successful, high level blog.

Verdammt Scheisse, just look at the collective talent residing here!

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 04:53:09 AM EST
First, thanks for this comment CH. And second some nitpicking.

If possible it would be nice to avoid expletives, however, if the can not be avoided they should be used properly.

Crazy Horse:

Verdammt Scheisse

It's either "Verdammt, Scheisse" or if used together "Verdammte Scheisse". :-D

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 05:25:25 AM EST
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Yes. If you must bloody swear, do it right!

Nice post, CH.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 05:51:40 AM EST
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Trust the Swiss to have rules on how to swear!!! </hides>

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 07:25:20 AM EST
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Thanks for the nit-pick Fran.  I've never actually seen it written, so i had no clue.  and actually, i didn't know it was such a swear, tho i see it now. i was hoping just for a kind of an accent.  i stand corrected.  ;-))

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 07:08:48 AM EST
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I'd like to add to my comment, that in this thread, there's an abundance of sound reasoning and even wisdom.  Respect to all.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 07:11:15 AM EST
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is that comment feeding the ego of as you say

Crazy Horse:

people whose self-image depends on being recognized for their intellectual prowess.

;-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 07:41:36 AM EST
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the collateral damage side of praise?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 08:10:41 AM EST
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Intellectual prowess and wisdom are not always the same thing....

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 08:57:10 AM EST
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The wisdom part seems largely to consist of finally accepting things that you never wanted to know or understand.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 10:57:52 AM EST
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The grace to accept the things that cannot be changed, the courage to change the things which should be changed, and the wisdom to know the difference? - Reinhold Niebuhr

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 11:36:52 AM EST
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interesting. i was taught a (very) similar prayer, but told it was by Saint Francis of Assisi.

Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things i cannot change, the courage to change the things i can, and the wisdom to know the difference...

the comments on this diary (and the diary itself) have been some of the most profound and well-articulated i've read here since the beginning of the blog.

they remind me of lymph flowing towards a wound, responding to shock and damage with copious flow of healing power, (also reminiscent of the architecture of the internet itself, where when a glitch occurs, bits route around it and keep information flowing.)

very impressive, very educational...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 at 02:40:24 PM EST
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That's the AA prayer!

Know it well...

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 at 01:53:51 PM EST
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yup, i heard at CODA.

beautiful, isn't it?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 at 01:58:37 PM EST
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It is.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant
by redstar on Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 at 02:47:49 PM EST
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...and the depth of its meaning is really being slammed home lately!

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Feb 23rd, 2009 at 08:15:37 PM EST
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...although I suppose guidelines and roles and processes are created to try and mitigate the harm when wisdom is lacking....

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 07:13:41 AM EST
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Danke, and i second your perspective on guidelines and processes.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 07:17:14 AM EST
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Crazy Horse:

You can almost taste the acrid smoke of overheated ego.

I have little respect for people whose self-image depends on being recognized for their intellectual prowess.  While they may indeed have certain brilliance in their field, such prowess is often accompanied by lurking holes in personal development, which then get played out as sandbox behavior.

nobody here, especially in these very dark times, should act or think as if they possess some intellectual key which allows them to pass judgement on motive.  After unbridled ego and hubris have driven an already corrupt financial system into the ground, with nothing to replace it on the horizon,  our entire civilization, not merely ET, should be looking in the mirror at who we really are.

only the truly strong can respect an opinion they absolutely believe to be false when another wears it, and act with the inner strength of an evolved persona.

this should be part of the new user's guide...

wise words indeed, and the kind of writing that keeps me hooked.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 at 02:27:38 PM EST
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