Well. He might have been profitable after all. Between advertising click-throughs, with roughly a 2% conversion rate, and with subscriptions, he ccould have afforded some toys.

The figure I gave above didn't include such a big staff, maybe two or three including kos himself, but did contain payments on hardware (consider the archiving requirements!), bandwidth (I have no idea how much a T3 connection costs, lets say $2000 monthly and I'll bet my last dollar that's a really low figure), MySQL licensing (we paid $142,000 yearly for two big Oracle installations and of course they're not using the MySQL community edition), attorney's fees (dkos has been to court once already - kos won), and basic but unavoidable incidentals (like a graphic/web designer's bill).

So the figure I gave was for the old dkos, assuming it was watching it's burn rate closely and went lightly on the organizational frills, not the present dkos with the larger staff and I excluded Congress Matters entirely.

Let us as well consider just one item where ET would differ greatly from dkos: legal fees. Assuming ET is deliberately EU-wide, across countries whose slander and libel laws differ, ET might require some legal expertise that dkos did not.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 09:14:57 AM EST
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Slander and libel may become an issue in Italy as there is a bill in the works that would in theory apply to the entire net.

There was also an amazing court sentence last year in Modica that ruled blogs are the equivalent of newpapers and are therefore accountable as is a newspaper.It was a very adroit sentence since it did in no way affront what was actually produced on the blog- dossiers and documents alleging corruption and mafia ties- but seized and blacked out the site on purely normative grounds. The site- like all blogs- had not been duly registered as a news source. The case, I hope, should go to Europe.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sat Feb 21st, 2009 at 05:58:35 PM EST
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In the US, a blog may be a de facto news source, and registration of news organizations, I believe (I'm not a lawyer), is unheard of. The question came up once on another blog I was part of, BlueMassGroup.

Off the top of my head, there are a couple cases I've read about:

  • One case I'm aware of in which a woman in some kind of dispute with a company, claimed online that said firm had done this or that terrible thing. In court, it was found that her statements were defamatory and her victim was awarded $5 million.

  • Then there's the case of Josh Wolf. There was a contention as to whether he was actually a journalist, evidently because as a matter of course, he was never paid for his work. It was found that nonetheless, he was in fact a journalist.

Verdammte scheisse! It's all too much for a layman! As I said before, operating a blog and contributing to one is worth thinking hard about.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Sun Feb 22nd, 2009 at 01:50:18 AM EST
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