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and, if I may ask, believers in what? Please provide names and ideas, otherwise it's just too damn easy to take this personally.

As to ET "having to be bigger than any of us", just like your recent pretty specific accusations of authoritarianism, let me say that this is also rather unfortunate.

Have you been forbidden from taking any initiative in the name of ET? Have you tried to get a "collective entreprise" started on any issue? People  cannot complain (more or less openly) about this blog being too much about me and then wait for me to get anything done.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 25th, 2009 at 01:36:18 PM EST
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The term "true believer" is not a pejorative one for me.  It denotes people who genuinely believe in something (e.g. the EU, Democracy, peer-to-peer finance, state technocratic competence/excellence) or whatever and who argue passionately for whatever it is they believe in.  I would contrast that with cynics or pragmatists who either don't believe in anything or for whom everything has a price.  I would consider myself a true believer on some issues and would prefer to argue with people who actually believe in the case they are making - acknowledging that those arguments are almost impossible to win and are more about understanding other positions better.

I did appeal to you to retract a personalised comment you directed at another member, but as that is an emotive issue which has nearly torn this community apart I think it is better for us to discuss that matter privately by email if you wish.  If you felt that any comment I made was unfair or hurtful, I apologise.  I was trying to assist in resolving a dispute which had arisen between others, not to make matters worse.  You had previously challenged me and others not to leave all the moderation to front pagers. Obviously I didn't succeed.

Yes I have tried to get some collective enterprises on ET going - e.g. a wind turbine; LTEs to Irish papers on Lisbon by Europeans who don't want Libertas/Sinn Fein to speak/act on their behalf when it comes to any claimed democratic deficit in the EU; EU grant application for funding ET 2.0 multilingual capabilities - and have been disappointed but not surprised when they didn't get anywhere but I didn't blame anyone, least of all you, for that.  I think it is worth while exercise to float concrete action proposals sometimes to see if any of them might fly.  ET can be a useful sounding board or launching pad for initiatives without them ever necessarily become "official" ET projects.  I hope you don't object to that.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Feb 25th, 2009 at 02:42:33 PM EST
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may I suggest "enthusiasts" rather than "true believers", then?

The secret of successful collective endeavors is that there has to be a benevolent dictator (ie a not-authoritarian leader) to carry them to fruition.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Feb 25th, 2009 at 03:23:22 PM EST
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enthusiasts works for me

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Feb 25th, 2009 at 03:40:01 PM EST
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