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An interesting observation, Gringo, though I would re-cast it more as "Through which aspect or incarnation of the God of Death do you prefer to worship?"  While some might console themselves with the thought that they have no responsibility for those 225,164 deaths, that surely is also at best a comforting illusion.  But I have little confidence that the death penalty has much deterrent effect.

My own crazy recommendation would be to restructure our society in such ways as would reduce violence between its members.  Increase the peace.  Anyone who truly believes that they can fully insulate themselves and those they love from the violence endemic to US society is deluding themselves.  Those who do not care about the violence because they think they are insulated are of dubious moral integrity.

Our economy seems set up always to be dominated by some of the most rapacious among us and organized mostly to facilitate their rapacity.  In my view one of the chief manifestations of that rapacity is through "trickle down" violence.  That is what we need to change.  Focusing on policing the final manifestations of that violence only serves to contain it to some degree.  Policing will never really succeed in greatly reducing violence, IMO.  And then the sensational violence serves to distract from the rapacity at the top.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Feb 28th, 2009 at 05:14:58 PM EST
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I think you see the issues properly.  I also doubt that the death penalty, as presently prescribed in the US, has much to do with either preventing or contributing to the large numbers of homicides that plague American society.  In order for it to have much preventative effect, if in fact it ever would, it would likely have to be pursued with such a vengence (no pun intended) that would allow even less care and attention to due process.  That said, with the exception of scattered instances, I don't see Americans as taking much joy from executions.

In situations like this I like to remind myself, and others who will listen, of those who have paid the ultimate price for society's shortcomings, the horrifyingly large numbers of our fellow man who have become the victims of senseless killings. We owe them more than casual mention.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sat Feb 28th, 2009 at 06:03:06 PM EST
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No study I'm aware of shows any beneficial effect of homicide rate by death penalty.  It doesn't deter the crimes of passion, for obvious reasons, and those who plan it think they have planned well enough to get away with it.  Mostly, though, it doesn't operate on the criminal mentality which is largely immune to cause and effect arguments.

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Sat Feb 28th, 2009 at 08:32:24 PM EST
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I've seen a few studies favoring the death penalty, as a deterrent but they like most of the others for or against are not that convincing in and of themselves.  I agree, crimes of passion (whatever that means beyond the court-room definition) - would not be deterred.

Thank you for this diary. I intended to reply directly to your personal experiences earlier, but my reply was wiped clean by a malfunctioning electrical system - so I gave up.  I quit a career in law enforcement years ago owing in large part to some of the frustrations and depression you feel so I do respect your continuing in the field of criminal justice for so long under such conditions.

I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell. _ Blood Sweat & Tears

by Gringo (stargazing camel at aoldotcom) on Sun Mar 1st, 2009 at 12:34:16 PM EST
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