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Clarifying, the Dutch rejection was due to the constitution being insufficiently neo-liberal, or at least, via reducing Dutch influence in Europe, would make continued trade liberalisation, beneficial to NL, harder to defence, as opposed to because it was overly neo-liberal.

The usual reponses to the no in NL were that it reduced NL power in the union, followed by expression of dissatisfaction in the government coalition of the time. And, the "respectable" left parties there were for it, though shortly thereafter, one of the properly left parties, which had been against on grounds similar to those of us in France, had some serious electoral successes, so maybe there's hope after all.

In France, the fact it reduced actually exisiting rights and protections, played a predominant role in the referendum defeat. The PS was split in two on the wubject, most of the PS votes voted against, and all other parties on the left were against.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Wed Feb 4th, 2009 at 06:01:25 AM EST
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You're really selling the Dutch SP short here. There was a left side to the 'no' in the Netherlands as well.

As for attitudes, in my memory the right-wing side of the Dutch 'no' was due to a backlash against the euro, which was blamed for inflation and there were fears about the membership of the southern states, and there was a backlash against the opening of negotiations with Turkey.

Neoliberalism had little to do with it.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Feb 4th, 2009 at 06:25:29 AM EST
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I know, that's what I meant by hope, but I thought the SP electoral breakthrough came after that. Perhaps because of it, and I'm perhaps over-impressionistic here, but when the rejections were explained in the french press, you know, we rejected it because of Bolkestein, that and the Polish plumber were the symbols of the no vote, both symbols against neo-liberalism. And, Bolkestein was of course Dutch, a neo-liberal as hard right as they come. Left opposition scuttled it here, it was very clear. And while no doubt there was left opposition to it in NL (as in IRL too notably via Sinn Fein) I didn't get the impression that that drove the No vote, it was moer from the right.

But I think it is outstanding that there is again a viable left party in NL. This is good news for all of us.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Wed Feb 4th, 2009 at 06:47:38 AM EST
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There has been great interest in spinning the no. As you know, the French far-right also played a role within France. And the role of Libertas in Ireland has been hyped up to no extent in the UK / European press while the role of Sinn Fein has been completely ignored.

The SP indeed became a larger party only after the referendum. But its base had already expanded at that time.

To cherry pick on my side a bit, here's a short quote from this evaluation (pdf) of the Dutch referendum:

Looking at results per municipality, it shows that a majority voted no in 9 out of 10 municipalities. The municipalities which voted yes in majority are the richest municipalities of the country: Rozendaal (Gld.), Laren, Bloemendaal, Heemstede, Wassenaar, and the rich communities in Eindhoven. Municipalities which had a high percentage of no-voters were the fiercely Protestant localities, the leftwing Socialist localities and those that also voted in high numbers for Pim Fortuyn (`protest localities').
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Feb 4th, 2009 at 07:47:01 AM EST
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