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Igor Panarin: U.S. Will Collapse By Next Year

MOSCOW -- If you're inclined to believe Igor Panarin, and the Kremlin wouldn't mind if you did, then President Barack Obama will order martial law this year, the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order.

Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels. And his predictions fit into the anti-American story line of the Kremlin leadership.

"There is a high probability that the collapse of the United States will occur by 2010," Panarin told dozens of students, professors and diplomats Tuesday at the Diplomatic Academy _ a lecture the ministry pointedly invited The Associated Press and other foreign media to attend.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 4th, 2009 at 02:27:13 PM EST
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Martial law ? Sounds like a freeper.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Mar 4th, 2009 at 05:00:17 PM EST
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but he's not sharing!  The creep.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire
by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Wed Mar 4th, 2009 at 08:45:28 PM EST
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Also Panarin thinks in a post-collapse U.S., Alaska will revert to Russia. Plus his idea of rump states just doesn't make sense. If the United States collapse, why would states even still exist to form rump states along state lines?

His theory of martial law works well within the Bush administration mindset, but I do not see it with the Obama administration mindset. I think the Panarins of this world would like to see another U.S. civil war. I think we Americans will disappoint him.

His triggers for a U.S. civil war were economic decline, which is happening, mass immigration, which isn't happening because of the economic decline, and moral degradation. Now I don't know specifically what he thinks moral decline is, but I'm guessing it is gays and god related and not state-sanctioned torture and the fraud economy.

All in all, the U.S. is more likely to start another foreign war than a domestic one. The danger for U.S. collapse comes more from the drug war in Mexico spilling over the border than from the economic meltdown.

I think he's a fruitcake.

by Magnifico on Wed Mar 4th, 2009 at 05:18:10 PM EST
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the comic strip "Non Sequiter" logic that says start with whatever conclusion you would like to see/propose and then backtrack with any path, valid or no, which will connect that future to now.  He would like to see the US disintegrate so he fishes around for any conditions which might promote that disintegration.

If the US was going to fall apart, the best opportunity would have been for Bush/Cheney/Rummy to let YET ANOTHER terrorist strike hit America LIKE THEY DID KNOWINGLY ON 9-11 (I say again!) and then try to completely shut down all US freedoms.  That would have done it.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Mar 4th, 2009 at 07:02:49 PM EST
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Also Panarin thinks in a post-collapse U.S., Alaska will revert to Russia.


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 5th, 2009 at 02:10:12 AM EST
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He's a known fruitcake. He's a kind of Russian Limbaugh - he'll make up any old nonsense for attention.

There are rumours - there are always rumours - that he's Putin's pet propaganda creature. So this would be more wishful thinking and suggestion than reality-based reporting.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Mar 5th, 2009 at 08:38:18 AM EST
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Interview with the mad professor

How will the country be divided? Mexico is obviously in the south. What else?

A: There are six parts altogether. The first one is the Pacific Ocean coast of the USA. I can give you an example: 53% of San Francisco's population is Chinese. The Governor of Washington state was an ethnic Chinese; its capital, Seattle, is called the gate of the Chinese emigration to the USA. It is obvious that the Pacific Ocean coast has been gradually influenced by China. The second part in the south is definitely the Mexicans. In some areas, Spanish has become the official language already. Then comes Texas which has been openly fighting for independence.

Damn. This guy is a loony tunes freeper. And he's in charge of diplomat training for Russia. All you folks talking about how responsible and sane Russia is compared to the US, and the need to break with Atlanticism in favor of a closer relationship with Russia, ummh, you sure about that?

by MarekNYC on Wed Mar 4th, 2009 at 06:00:52 PM EST
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What a Neaderthal.

Okay, Igor, listen up:

(1) About a fifth -- that's about 20% (1/5) -- of San Francisco's population is Chinese.  Not 53%.  Asians, broadly, aren't even 53% of the city.  They're 33%.

(2) Seattle is 17% Asian.  And the former governor of Washington is named Gary Locke.  (I know, the name alone screams, "CPC Spy.")  I'm not sure what Locke's ethnic roots have to do with it, since, as Ambassador ShitforBrains has presumably seen, we do elect people from ethnic groups -- you know, like the current President -- which are not dominant in the electorate.

And for Seattle being the "Gateway to Chinese emigration" -- yeah, I guess that would be true if we were still living in 1800s.

The second part in the south is definitely the Mexicans. In some areas, Spanish has become the official language already. Then comes Texas which has been openly fighting for independence.

(3) Yes, Igor, Spanish is the official language in some places in Mexico.  In fact, I'm pretty sure you'll find it's the official language in all of Mexico.  (Note he says "Then Texas" after mentioning all that.)

The only evidence -- and, granted, it was just a quick Google -- I can find of Spanish being an official language anywhere in the US is in a small border town in Texas called El Cenizo.

Have a few more glasses of vodka and get back to us, Igor.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Mar 4th, 2009 at 07:47:44 PM EST
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Seems to me much more likely that Canada and the U.S. would merge. Not very likely, but more likely than a split-up of the U.S.
by asdf on Thu Mar 5th, 2009 at 12:21:18 AM EST
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In the background story line of the table-top role playing game Shadowrun you had both: the US broke up and the North-Eastern chunk merged with (most) of Canada.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 5th, 2009 at 01:55:24 AM EST
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You got a point there, Marek.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 5th, 2009 at 02:06:09 AM EST
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Well I don't know about dean Panarin and his predictions but what Gerge Soros  has said lately is still in my mind...And he said that this crisis is not to be compared to great depression of 1929 but to the colapse of USSR. So (acording to Soros)what Panarin has predicted looks possible.
As for me I am still waiting to see USA pack their military bases around the world and go home.That would be a good sign for me...
Of course before they do so they'll first try to force everybody else to pay so that they can stay. Honestly I do not see who is going to be willing ( let alone able) to pay. Lately I do not fear that much that USA will start another war...they have no money (and can't borrow) to do that.
So we'll see...who ever survive will tell this story about fallen empire of this century...  
by vbo on Wed Mar 4th, 2009 at 11:04:24 PM EST
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