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It was fun to collect data for this article: most of it was accessible only in original languages, and I speak neither Spanish, nor Chinese, nor Korean... But some of what I found I now also inserted on the English Wikipedia.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Mar 15th, 2009 at 03:51:20 PM EST
I speak neither Spanish, nor Chinese, nor Korean...

...as for Spanish: neither Castilian, nor Catalan... (and I did need both.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Mar 15th, 2009 at 06:37:10 PM EST
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By the way: a cultural observation.

A top national stereotype about Germans is that they are pedantically "precise", while that about Mediterranean peoples is that they are "careless" and "sloppy".

However, in the thousands of railway-related (especially governmental and state railway) press releases and articles I have combed through over the years, in both Spanish and German, there is a diametrically opposed trend: in German, you'll find few numbers, most of those rounded to 2-3, often even just 1 significant figures; while in Spanish, you'll find tunnel lengths to the centimetre and the costs of multi-billion-Euro projects to the last cent (and no, I am not exaggerating!).

Methinks in both cases, there is a sub-conscious (or maybe not so sub-) aspiration to oppose the stereotype. But I also think that this image drive now has real-world effects, too. And, I wonder if, as a result, the stereotypes themselves will be inverted in a generation.

Then again, even while RENFE issues ridership numbers precise to the last digit, and lots of sub-sums, I had a lot of trouble using them for this diary.  For, successive releases used differing time periods, and included different services in their sum totals, usually without declaring what's included and what's not... and some data from the same set could only be found in Catalan, others only in Castilian...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Mar 17th, 2009 at 08:27:04 AM EST
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The Spanish are the "original bureaucrats" who try to keep precise records.  English like to ridicule this as self-aggrandizing but really it's just a nod to a long history and the recognition that details are important and can be forgotten over time.

That said, were these numbers given to someone in the present time to be used for something the Germans would be precise about it and the Spanish would round-up.

by paving on Tue Mar 17th, 2009 at 02:22:08 PM EST
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Actually, here is another thing: it seems most of the Spanish media doesn't know rounding. When they give approximate numbers, they just ignore what's behind the significant digits (e.g. round down), even if it begins with a 9!

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Mar 17th, 2009 at 02:52:05 PM EST
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Cultural observation #2: don't mention Spain!

"AVE" stands for Alta Velocidad Española = "Spanish High Speed". However, even though this is a brand name, one painted on the trains & displayed on train boards, you won't find it in most of the Catalan media! Instead, they use TAV (for Tren d'Alta Velocitat = High-Speed Train) -- or the acronym identical to the French one, TGV (for Tren de Gran Velocitat = lit. Train of Great Speed).

I find this ridiculous, but wonder how our Catalonia-based readers think about it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Mar 17th, 2009 at 09:04:36 AM EST
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