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Here on ET we follow the US policy debate too much and the EU one too little. Read the Almunia speech and maybe you'll see why. The European Commission even copies the USian talking points and cliches.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 21st, 2009 at 11:41:53 AM EST
A broad consensus is now forming in Europe that we will need to move fast and introduce some form of asset relief to complement the measures already in place. Many countries are now looking seriously at the options on the table. Some are considering the possibility of setting up a 'bad bank' to absorb the impaired assets, others an insurance scheme.

In other words, Yurp is toying with the same stupid ideas -- bad bank, ringfencing, yaddayaddayadda -- that we're toying with.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Mar 21st, 2009 at 12:26:12 PM EST
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'Rubbish Banks' were used successfully in the Nordic countries in the early 90s. On a smaller scale of course, but as I understand it, a decade and a half later, both Sweden and Finland managed to reprivatize the assets without overall losses.

Finland Offers EU Experiences in Financial Crisis Management

In Vanhanen's view, pumping more money into economic stimulus is not the right way to fight a recession. Instead, he calls for going into the core of the crisis by cleaning away bad credit.

However most of the acquired 'rubbish' was still 'performing', but needed additional capital, reorganization and market consolidation.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Mar 21st, 2009 at 12:41:38 PM EST
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I believe Finland has not much to offer. Finland was saved by Nokia in the 90's and the housing prices never recovered (until last year). If Vanhanen thinks the same system works this time, i believe he is mistaken.
by kjr63 on Sat Mar 21st, 2009 at 05:29:28 PM EST
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Of course, if Vanhanen means debt relief to home owners, then it is another matter.
by kjr63 on Sat Mar 21st, 2009 at 05:31:21 PM EST
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I would suggest it was 3.5 % GDP annually invested in R&D (which includes Nokia) that saved Finland.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Mar 21st, 2009 at 06:22:28 PM EST
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That paragraph you quote is positively scary coming from a Spanish Socialist.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 21st, 2009 at 01:55:06 PM EST
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the EU debate is more fragmented than the US one - but it's essentially the same one.

And the only language where "European" debate happens is in English - and that's of course the language of the countries most wedded to finance and "efficient markets" and free trade.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Mar 21st, 2009 at 01:02:32 PM EST
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I was in the stock market for awhile, privately (outperformed my 401k retirement plan 5X, btw). Shortly after the Dow hit 10,000, I recall one earnings season after another were rather flat. Disappointing. Except for the housing market. I wasn't comfortable with that and I cashed out, the retirement plan as well.

If I could see that. Then everyone else could too, and there's no excuse for letting it get to the point we have now.

Stocks went up on bad news, down on good earnings...these days when I see people with books on day trading, investing, etc. I tell them that they'd be just as well off trying poker instead.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Sat Mar 21st, 2009 at 02:36:46 PM EST
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I wasn't comfortable with that and I cashed out, the retirement plan as well.
If I could see that. Then everyone else could too
And if everyone had cashed out you'd've had a crash then instead of now.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 22nd, 2009 at 08:15:16 AM EST
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