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It is amazing how many good policies and changes can be undercut by failure to move on the single most important issue.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Apr 4th, 2009 at 01:04:46 AM EST
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By which you mean the environment, surely?

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi
by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sat Apr 4th, 2009 at 04:17:34 AM EST
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No, I was referring to the power of the financial sector in the USA over the US government, which, as best as I can see, will prevent us from stopping the financial death spiral we appear to be entering.  Absent that, we are very unlikely to be able or willing to do much that is effective about the environment, which is, ultimately, the most important factor.  Obama is at least moving in the right direction regarding the environment.  The question there is the speed and effectiveness with which we can move and the length of time over which we can sustain positive action.  Another eight years of government dominated by fossil energy interests and characterized by denial of environmental problems would be truly catastrophic.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Apr 4th, 2009 at 12:08:10 PM EST
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OK, I meant to be a little provocative, not to dispute that you are talking about a major root cause there (I would say that it's not just the financial system holding the US government -as you say, there are fossil energy interests around).

I thought you meant the financial crisis as the main issue. My post was just referring to the fact that many people completely fail to see that the environment crisis is by several orders of magnitude more serious than the financial one.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sat Apr 4th, 2009 at 02:15:07 PM EST
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ARGeezer:
No, I was referring to the power of the financial sector in the USA over the US government, which, as best as I can see, will prevent us from stopping the financial death spiral we appear to be entering.

I think that it may be out of their hands, actually, now that US creditors and suppliers are talking to each other....

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Apr 4th, 2009 at 10:12:10 PM EST
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That and other steps taken will help to provide what you refer to as credit = time to pay.  But if the Government keeps selling $Trillions of bonds to raise money to pour down financial black holes that could be a problem.  OTOH, if they just print greenbacks to satisfy what you call "static" debt, that might not be so bad.

I don't really understand this very well at all.  For instance, with Mortgage Backed Securities, continuing to pay the dividends or interest on these securities is one thing, but what are their maturities and what happens when maturity is reached.  Are all of them 5 years or longer?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Apr 4th, 2009 at 11:17:49 PM EST
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