bankers have profession like any others, undoubtedly it's vital for any market economy but public outrage against them was caused exactly by ther hijacking and looting of public finances.

bailout of banks and financial institutions made enourmous harm  to the global economy and enlarged deep inequalities in the modern world.

instead of bailouts Western governments could put this money (trln of dollars) into IMF and WB and start lending to the poorest countries to subsidize establishment of safety nets and social and health securities in these countries and pressurize comparatively rich BRICs (who have big reserves) to do the same. This not only will reduce inequalities but also sput the global demand and growth.

there could be few conditions attached, first of all reducing corruption and incresing transparency (insisting on passage of Right to Information Acts).

however so far IMF did exactly opposite demanding reducing social spending, balancing budget, raising rates and plunging countries into more misery and poverty.

Today's rulers of US and Europe will be remembered as incompetent rulers who presided over the biggest graft in human history. Supporting zombie banks like RBS, Citigroup, Bank of America and many many others will not help to restart lending. These financial institutions lost the main thing which is necessary for any financial institute - THE TRUST. Nobody is going to trust them anymore and whether recession will end or not, they will be always zombie banks.

by FarEasterner on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 04:31:33 AM EST
FarEasterner:
instead of bailouts Western governments could put this money (trln of dollars) into IMF and WB and start lending to the poorest countries to subsidize establishment of safety nets and social and health securities in these countries

How is that sustainable for poor countries in the long run? Surely Africa doesn't need more money to prop up poor government.

by Nomad on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 07:56:29 AM EST
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I just heard that Mr Zoellick was talking about such need. It means that this idea is in the air.

If poor countries get safety nets this will increase demand for goods and subsequently they can emerge as viable economies. Of course the main problem is implementation and reducing poor governance, but if you don't start to tackle this problem who will?

And then do you have any alternative? I remember you defended the whites' rule in Zimbabwe and South Africa. The whites did not do anything to lift Africa out of destitution.

by FarEasterner on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 09:37:37 AM EST
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FarEasterner:
I remember you defended the whites' rule in Zimbabwe and South Africa.

You're welcome to show me when I did exactly that.

by Nomad on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 10:05:13 AM EST
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I have no time to waste on this subject, it's pretty evident from your diaries.
by FarEasterner on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 10:18:36 AM EST
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You must be reading different diaries.

But your unwillingness to illustrate your own point makes it less credible.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 10:22:39 AM EST
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How could I forget, it's pretty evident from my diaries. How silly of me.

If you don't have time for ad hominems, then please don't start them. Extraordinary claims do require extraordinary evidence.

by Nomad on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 10:48:09 AM EST
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It's not like anyone can argue that things weren't better for everyone in Rhodesia than they are in the Zimbabwe of today. What is the life expectancy today, 30, 35 years?

Still, that's not really the issue. The issue is if the disastrous results could and should have been expected, or if the regime change was done in good faith. Honest mistakes are after all unavoidable.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 07:09:21 PM EST
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FarEasterner, you are sadly mistaken in your reading of Nomad's South Africa diaries.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 11:12:56 AM EST
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