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Are you a fan of Pipes?

You seem to bring him up a lot.  Which is fine.  So long as you read him with a critical eye and an understanding of his glorious past and and life-long crusade regarding Russia.  :)  That man is a piece or work...

(Totally OT: given all this discussion of the patrimonial system in Russia, I thought I'd throw in the fact that in Tsarist Russia, property was passed down through women, and Russian women had remarkable property ownership rights compared to much of the western world.  I know that isn't how you are using "patrimonial," exactly.  But worth mentioning in all this talk of "patrimony.")

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky

by poemless on Tue Mar 10th, 2009 at 12:31:04 PM EST
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Pipes early stuff is quite good. His later work is seriously flawed by his deliberate decision to ignore a huge chunk of recent scholarship because he dislikes the scholars' politics. Though even there, it must be admitted that he has an excellent knowledge of the factual details. But yeah, he needs to be read with an understanding of his agenda, and preferably in conjunction with other scholars.
by MarekNYC on Tue Mar 10th, 2009 at 01:45:21 PM EST
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I haven't read a whole lot of Pipes directly. Sure, I like to keep a critical eye.

I thought I'd throw in the fact that in Tsarist Russia, property was passed down through women, and Russian women had remarkable property ownership rights compared to much of the western world.
My understanding was that the Russians were very keen on dividing their properties equally to the children.  
by das monde on Wed Mar 11th, 2009 at 06:25:54 AM EST
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One of the reasons put forward for Wales and England combining with relatively little trouble is that it allowed the Welsh nobility to change from a similar system to that ogf primogeniture, where all the land goes to the firstborn son. The problem with equal splits over time in the eyes of the powerful is that it gradually weekens the power of the nobility as they come to have less and less land concentrated.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Mar 11th, 2009 at 06:50:31 AM EST
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Russia is a much larger country - divisions could go on for several more generations.

How much did the educated class of small nobles help the Bolshevik revolution?

The Russians found an effective way to concentrate wealth anyway. When you think about it, a "side" effect of most libertarian policies is always concentration of wealth, no matter how randomly.

by das monde on Wed Mar 11th, 2009 at 07:08:12 AM EST
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I forget who the quote is from but it runs something like "a revolution is a way to decide which faction of the middle class is in charge".

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Mar 11th, 2009 at 07:10:07 AM EST
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Another reason was that King Edward scared the shit out of the Welsh nobility...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 11th, 2009 at 07:24:18 AM EST
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Hey you  want to try reading Welsh school history curriculum. the differences between the English and the Saxons and Normans is strangely missing, so instead of the general invasion of Britain by the Normans you get "The English invaded Wales in 1071"

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Mar 11th, 2009 at 07:41:53 AM EST
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The provincialism of modern History curriculums is sad...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 11th, 2009 at 07:48:17 AM EST
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Out of Interest, how does the  Spanish curriculum treat the Moorish kingdoms?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Mar 11th, 2009 at 08:01:35 AM EST
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I don't know any more - but my history textbook 16 years ago was pretty good about them.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 11th, 2009 at 08:04:56 AM EST
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