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Vatican vetoes Barack Obama's nominees for US ambassador | World news | guardian.co.uk

The Vatican has vetoed three of Barack Obama's potential nominees as US ambassador amid a growing dispute between the White House and the Roman Catholic church over the new administration's support for abortion rights and the lifting of a ban on stem cell research.

Vatican sources told Italy's Il Giornale newspaper that among those rejected were Caroline Kennedy and two other Roman Catholics who were unacceptable to the pope because they have publicly stood against church dogma.

The conservative Il Giornale described the vetoes as part of a "trial of strength between Barack Obama and the US church that involves the Holy See", amid uproar among the church's hierarchy after America's principal Catholic university, Notre Dame, invited the president to give an address and receive an honorary degree next month.



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Tue Apr 14th, 2009 at 11:37:10 AM EST
dvx:
The Vatican has vetoed three of Barack Obama's potential nominees as US ambassador

Whatever happened to Three Strikes And You're Out?

How many Divisions has the Pope anyway?

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Apr 14th, 2009 at 07:36:46 PM EST
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Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations - e Diplomat
  1. The sending State must make certain that the agrément of the receiving State has been given for the person it proposes to accredit as head of the mission to that State.
  2. The receiving State is not obliged to give reasons to the sending State for a refusal of agrément.

I was interested to find that recieving states had this right. (Although the traditional 19th century response to small countries was to deploy a gunboat and shell the palace till the locals agreed)

Theres always the option to break off diplomatic relations, after all it's not a real state. and its usually not allowed for a states representatives to interfere with the internal politics of a state, as the catholic church tends to do in preaching about contraception and abortion, it could be argued that there are grounds (And other countries have been bombed for far less)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Apr 14th, 2009 at 10:47:30 PM EST
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Why appoint an ambassador at all, if they're going to be jerks about it? I'd rather see the Obama administration just ignore this. It's pretty much just a prestige appointment anyway.

A junior, 20-something chargé-d'affairs is probably enough to handle any actual business that comes up.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 at 04:48:51 AM EST
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just put out a press release that you wished to appoint one of the countries most prominent catholics to this prestiege post, but the papacy has turned round and insulted her, and the countries catholics by refusing.

let the blame lie there

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:16:52 AM EST
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I would suggest appointing Robert Hanssen to the post.

I'm certain he would be accepted.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 at 01:17:54 PM EST
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well it they need a choice theres always Eric Rudolph

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 at 07:57:37 PM EST
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Maybe Obama should go along with their wishes, but insist that the Vatican's ambassador to the U.S. be a supporter of abortion rights?
by gk (gk) on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 at 02:53:40 AM EST
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Or maybe just leave the ambassadorship vacant if they're going to be such assholes about it. It would send a clear message that the US does not appease religious extremists or prop up theocracies. Unless they have oil, of course.

(Also, slightly ironic that they're rejecting the daughter of the first Catholic president in US history)

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde

by NordicStorm (m<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Wed Apr 15th, 2009 at 07:00:02 AM EST
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