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That's excellent that you got to meet with Bove!  It's a bummer he wasn't more engaging though.  I think some activists are best off being activists.    


"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 11:58:04 AM EST
The man was shagged out! Have you no compassion? ;-)

Being an activist means, well, being active.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 12:13:04 PM EST
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Well it certainly wasn't meant as an insult.

And being an activist does not mean, well, being active.  Lots of people are active.  They're not all activists.  

Great activists use their skills and talents and resources to draw attention to an issue or cause, to start a dialogue and get the ball of reform rolling.  Those skills and talents and resources do not always translate well into legislative or executive prowess.  Some people make it work, of course.  But I suspect those people were all along more cut-out for politics than activism.  Politics often requires you to give up that very courage and idealism and independence from the Establishment that make people become activists.  It's often a trade off of freedom for results.  I mean, go look at Swedish fish's diary.  We can all sit here and be idealists.  I'd LOVE people like Bove to be in charge.  But to get into that position and stay there requires political savvy and the ability to make people feel secure.  Activists are usually driven to do what they do because the politicians dare not go near their cause and because their cause involves scary things.    

I think in Europe there is more expectation and acceptance of incorporating activism into daily politics (I'm not talking about revolutions and coups - which are also more acceptable in Europe) than in America.  But while it might be easier for an activist to become a politician in Europe, I suspect they probably face the same challenges once elected.  

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky

by poemless on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 12:58:42 PM EST
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He's actually very engaging and straightforward. But he was really beat when he arrived, and was visibly just getting his act into gear for a long following day.

The question of whether he was cut out for being an elected representative, though, was broached (politely) by several, but didn't get much response.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 12:15:16 PM EST
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I guess I would be turned off by that.  Or rather, more concerned.  First, if he's that exhausted now...  everyone's exhausted on the campaign trail.  Everyone.  That can just never be an excuse.  I'm just thinking like a campaign manager now.  That's a major red flag and the time to reassess if it's really worth it.  If you're unable to run on adrenaline alone, you might not be up for the job.  You might not want it enough.  Or if you do, you might have a problem getting people to be excited enough.  That's probably not a huge concern for Bove, because of his name recognition.  But still...  Secondly, avoiding the question of your ability, qualifications, motivations for running for office ... that's almost always the main thing people want to know.  And if you don't know it, I mean, it speaks to a naivete about politics.  Don't get me wrong, I'd probably vote for Bove, on the basis of his badassness alone.  But if you don't know, are not absolutely certain of why you belong in politics and what you can accomplish there, and if you don't have a plan for accomplishing it, you're not going to last very long, I don't imagine.  


"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:12:43 PM EST
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A significant amount of that seems applicable. He's not used to political campaigning. If I tell you he drove himself a two and a half hour drive down here, which is fine and simple and modest and so on, but work he shouldn't be doing - there's no shortage of volunteers who'd drive him. OTOH, he was just supposed to be having something to eat with sympathisers, not convince the multitudes.

But the question about the European Parliament is there, subjacent: if it had real clout, there'd be a tooth-and-nail fight to get elected, it wouldn't be these lists of people who've made a name in something else, or those their party wants to get rid of by sending them to Siberiathe EP.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:11:11 PM EST
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