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poemless on May 8, 2008:

Promoting American cultural hegemony, a primary tenet of which is that everyone must dress as slovenly as possible...

 In Catholic school I was taught that dressing like a bum, unless you are one, and even then you should were your best clothes, if you have any, is a signifier of disrespect for God, who created us, and why can't we return the favor by wearing something that compliments our beautiful human form?  I don't know about the God bit, but I agree with the rest.   Is there not a connection between our outward appearance and human dignity?

George Will on April 16, 2009:

Denim is the carefully calculated costume of people eager to communicate indifference to appearances. But the appearances that people choose to present in public are cues from which we make inferences about their maturity and respect for those to whom they are presenting themselves.
by Magnifico on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:04:16 PM EST
Shorter George Will: people in denim are unserious.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:15:43 PM EST
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Hm.  Now you'd think George and I are saying the same thing... (!!! Gah!  First Wolfe and now Will?  Gah!)  But, I have a closet full of dresses and skirts and blazers and ... well, I have a lot of clothes that are dressy by American standards.  But I never feel more serious than when I am in a black turtleneck and jeans.  Mind you, I wear nice shoes with this ensemble!  (Exception: Due to an injury I've recently been forced into Merrells - and I am NOT happy about this...)  But I feel I project a very serious image in a black turtleneck and jeans.  Especially if I am smoking and wearing sunglasses.  And am reading Foucault.  I scream "I am more serious than you!  There is not a humorous or apathetic bone in my body!  Just walking past me will expose you to my serious cooties!"

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:34:58 PM EST
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I feel I project a very serious image in a black turtleneck and jeans.  Especially if I am smoking and wearing sunglasses.

Add a purple or black beret and you'd be a Hep Cat®, circa 5 BE (Beatnik Era.)

by ATinNM on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 02:35:13 PM EST
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Actually, I do wear a black beret when it is cold, which it is 9 months of the year here.

I've been dressing like a beatnik since I was 12.

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky

by poemless on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 02:45:26 PM EST
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Have you seen the best minds of your generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked, dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix, angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machinery of night, who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz?

If so, was that pancakes you could believe in?

by ATinNM on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:03:29 PM EST
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"The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars..."

    Jack Kerouac, On The Road, 1957

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:15:02 PM EST
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When can I go into the supermarket and buy what I need with my good looks?

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:35:55 PM EST
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I started wearing shades as a cameraman, because the amount of light you got through the 'finder, made it difficult to adjust from sunlight to dim optics. Shades keep your pupils dilated and is less damaging than meth.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 02:57:23 PM EST
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It's very good for the eyes - uv protection.  

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:00:22 PM EST
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I can't get on with shades at all. They don't suit me for a start but I really find it hard to adjust to wearing them.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:11:27 PM EST
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Not even in sunny Italy?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:18:13 PM EST
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No. I have owned them but end up not wearing them even in the middle of summer in really hot and sunny places.  I don't think I had a pair when I was in Thailand.  I'm incapable of being stylish with accessories and shoes too, which doesn't help.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:42:05 PM EST
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Well, is there any sun in Wales?

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:36:34 PM EST
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You'd be surprised!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:42:22 PM EST
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Yes, it is generally surprising.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:52:19 PM EST
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ah but you're all spoiled so don't apreciate it properly when you get it.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 09:46:35 PM EST
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I have trouble functioning without sunglasses.  My eyes are so extremely photosensitive that I find it painful to not wear them when it's really bright.  My eyes just squeeze shut, nothing I can do about it.  About 10 years ago I started investing in really nice sunglasses with high-quality polarized lenses, and training myself to take good enough care of them to justify the expense, because I decided I just can't take chances with my eyes....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 07:01:18 PM EST
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So how come you ended up working where you did? I would have thought somewhere with a tendancy for lack of sun rising for 6 months a year would have been more your scene.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 09:48:22 PM EST
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I have a polaroid prescription pair that I always use for driving even in winter if it is sunny, and especially if there is clean white blinding snow. All that low Finnish sun can be painful, if you are going toward it.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:28:30 PM EST
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Do you want to put me into a suit? Or will a toga do?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:17:40 PM EST
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I suspect he'd prefer military uniform - you as private, him as general.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:31:32 PM EST
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Will a Venezuelan uniform do?...

Now that was George Will, what about poemless?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:38:26 PM EST
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I'd like you to dress like Mickey Rourke at the Oscars.

Thanks.

Anyone else?  OMG, I feel like a little girl, playing dressup with ETers, instead of dolls.  Creepy.

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky

by poemless on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 02:00:05 PM EST
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How about dressing more like a crazed, bearded Joaquin Phoenix?

by Magnifico on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:23:35 PM EST
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More like it...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 04:59:16 PM EST
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italians just don't get shabby chic...

but they don't get flabby cheek either, so it breaks even...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 07:13:43 PM EST
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Dear George,

This, coming from a guy who dresses like an Englishman in his pajamas (striped-everything), is pretty rich.  Two plain, one fancy, or you've no right to lecture people on fashion.  You're also one of, sadly, many who apparently don't understand that no one with a head so large should ever wear a straight collar.  You look like Mr Met, for fuck's sake.  Buy some proper spread collars.

And when you're not doing all that, you're wearing a bow tie -- something that should only be worn by circus clowns and children below the age of six.

Regards,

Drew J Jones

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:38:02 PM EST
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Well, I'm flattered you think such a brilliant mind would get his ideas from me.  I mean, I assume you think he is a brilliant mind.  I assume you'd never compare me to George Will knowing his true nature.  

But I was actually making a totally different argument.  I was arguing that one should dress well, and by well, I mean in ways that flatter and accentuate and celebrate one's beauty, inner and outer, for oneself, in order to assert one's inherent human dignity.  I was not arguing that you should dress to impress others, to impress George Will, for example, or to assert your maturity or responsibility, which are subjectively measured by the very structures that wish to strip you of your dignity so as to make you a more functional cog in the machine.  Maturity and Responsibility are the stuff of well-oiled cogs, my friend.  Jeans, denims tends to catch and tear on the machinery.  Slows it down and lowers productivity.  And THEY don't want that.  So, listen to me.  Carefully.  WEAR JEANS!  Not the baggy stone-washed kind or the kind that pushes your belly fat to the wrong places.  Wear sexy well-made jeans.  And wear them with nice shoes.  

And never,  Ever, compare me to George Will again.

:D


"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky

by poemless on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:49:33 PM EST
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Meh. I'm not comparing you to Will.

I'm saying Will ripped off your argument and with such a derivative, it is shallow compared to your original brilliance. He turned it into a grumpy old man version, not a call for sophistication and counterculture.

And no, Will is not brilliant. In fact, I think he's a turd and he should have stuck to writing about baseball and even that writing was lame.

by Magnifico on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 03:18:44 PM EST
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