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BTW, the Stupid may be clear for most here, but not all, so let's make it explicit:

  • Thalys is a joint project of state railways
  • Eurostar is in part a subsidiary of SNCF, a state railway; and benefits from externalised costs in track: the more or less in-budget state-built LGV Nord in France and the connected section in Belgium, the very expensive PPP-built High Speed 1 in Britain, and the privately built, financial mess Channel Tunnel in-between...
  • DB services suffer for 20 years now under the strain of inept attempts to make the company stock market ready, under changing private sector managers from non-rail sectors imposed by market-fundamentalist thinking governments

So, hardly any evidence of private operator efficiency.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:24:59 PM EST
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Thalys: Thalys : corporate

Trading name :
THALYS INTERNATIONAL

Statute :
Belgian limited liability cooperative

...

Thalys International's capital is divided up as follows :

62% held by the SNCF, 28% held by the SNCB and 10% held by the DB.

Ownership & Structure

  • Eurostar was owned, when launched, by SNCF, SNCB and British Rail. Prior to the UK rail privatisation, a subsidiary, European Passenger Services (EPS), was created which included British Rail's interest in Eurostar. In June 1996, this was sold to London & Continental Railways (LCR). In October 1996, LCR changed the name to Eurostar UK Ltd (EUKL).
  • EUKL, SNCF and SNCB are each responsible for the running of Eurostar services on their own territory.
  • In 1998, LCR awarded to InterCapital and Regional Rail Ltd (ICRR) a management contract to manage EUKL until 2010. ICRR is a consortium comprising the National Express Group (40% shareholding), SNCF (35% shareholding) SNCB (15% shareholding) and British Airways (10% shareholding). BA is a sleeping partner.

Take that: even the majority of the British operating company is held by two (non-British) state railways...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Apr 16th, 2009 at 01:33:32 PM EST
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...and Other Oxymorons"
by rifek on Tue Apr 21st, 2009 at 04:09:18 PM EST
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