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Isn't this very revisionist? While I tipped you for effort, I would contend that your saying that the caste dynamics in modern India are the doings of the British is a bit much. Let us admit that, as with all other religions, Hinduism had its share of loony theories about people and their place in this world. Unless inter marriage becomes the norm, I wouldn't believe for a minute that the people have shed their caste affinity. I am not that interested what had happened. I am more interested in what is going to happen.

Revisionist? Perhaps.

In China history was always viewed as the most important state-run business (maybe only recently it was replaced by finance ministry) that legions of scribes and historians were rewriting history with each new dynasty of "sons of heaven", then to suit tastes and theories of nationalists and communists. However China, it seems, is not unique in this murky business - all want to see rosy picture of their nation's past, trying to brush under carpet inconvenient episodes. Curiously enough many Indians also are not aware of development of supposedly traditional institutions like caste or ban on cow slaughter. On the contrary because caste identity became so useful commodity in modern Indian politics I would not be surprised if Indians would deny the British hand in promoting this weird institution.

Sorry if I could not write more - all this week I spent mostly in bed fighting cold and fever which I caught because of inconsistent weather in Himalayas - one day it's raining and chilly, another sunny and hot, then it's windy and so on.

by FarEasterner on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 at 09:49:40 AM EST
As I read your diary I realized that a very similar phenomenon unfolded here in the United States with regard to "our Indians" (Native Americans). Today most people think of them in terms of tribal units - Navajo, Cherokee, Nez Perce, Seminole, etc. But this was a classification imposed by British and American administrators, not one that could easily be found in pre-contact communities.

Typically Native Americans identified with clan networks, which were bound together by a variety of factors - land rights, language, marriage and ancestry. These networks were very complex, and permeable, especially in the richer and more densely settled parts of North America, such as the Pacific Northwest.

Only during the period of American settlement, when these networks had been devastated by disease, did the notion of a "tribe" emerge. For example, surviving peoples living in what is now eastern Washington were all grouped together as the "Yakama" tribe even though some had no clan relationships, and this was repeated across the country.

What made these tribal identities stick was the law and government practice. Reservations were set for the "Yakama" people, and so on, making what had been an arbitrary definition very real. This was amplified when tribal governments were created. Over the course of 100+ years, these tribal identities became fixed in place, even though they hadn't existed prior to contact with Euro-Americans.

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Sun Apr 19th, 2009 at 09:26:41 PM EST
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I recall a comment that in Hindu society the British fortuitously stumbled onto perhaps the only society that had a more rigidly stratified class system than that of Britain.  The comment was by a sociologist teaching a   History course entitled "The Expansion of Europe" at the University of Arizona in the early '60s.  I was also aware that the so called "Dravidian" people, who had been on the Indian sub-continent prior to the arrival of the "Indo-European" Hindu peoples had a very different culture from that of the Hindu, and that they had been pushed into the margins in the north but were the great majority in the south.

Dravidian languages, such as Telugu in Andhra Pradesh sort of merged with Sanskrit vocabulary.  Buddhist traditions had been spread over all of the sub continent during the time of Ashoka and the Maurya Empire in the period prior to the Current Era, but Buddhist religion does not imply Hindu social custom.  What is known of social customs in Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Kerala, etc. prior to the arrival of the Europeans?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Apr 19th, 2009 at 11:22:33 PM EST
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