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Considering Bosnia has been an EU protectorate for nearly 15 years and will remain one for the time being, I don't see why you think US policy is what matters.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 10:02:49 AM EST
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Because it's enough for Washington to promise military assistance (intervention) to any one side for the antagonism to reach its pinnacle. Ain't nothin' Europe can do about that. Look at the Vance Owen plan. Supported by Europe. Torpedoed by Washington precisely using the mechanism cited above.
by vladimir on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 10:09:54 AM EST
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How can the Serbs argue possession of Kosovo while simultaneously thinking of secession from Bosnia?

Are we talking about a total and complete rewriting of borders across ALL of the former Yugo?

Bosnia, Kosovo, Macedonia, even some parts of Serbia?

Would that satisfy everyone? Or just create more trouble?

Nevermind the fact that 100,000 died in vain.

by Upstate NY on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 11:19:04 AM EST
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How can the Serbs argue possession of Kosovo while simultaneously thinking of secession from Bosnia?

The same way that the West can argue independence for Kosovo while insisting on a unitary Bosnia. My understanding is that Serbs have made offers to negotiate a global solution.

Are we talking about a total and complete rewriting of borders across ALL of the former Yugo?

Redrawing the maps of Slovenia & Croatia are out of the question - I presume. What IS on the table is the rest. Here are some ideas of possible solutions:

Bosnia - split into 3, with a big problem for the Muslims who would end up with 2 separate states with no land link. Although this seems unworkable at first glance, I would argue that once each ethnic group establishes full sovereignty over its area, the power base of the ultra nationalists will wane and an environment of reconciliation might take root. The whole deal could be made conditional on each side accepting the free movement of people, goods & services between the different entities - and why not between the ex-Yugoslav republics?

Serbia - the areas where there are conflicting claims are Presevo and Bujanovac which are majority Albanian and Sandzak - which is Serbian Muslim (Bosniak if you prefer or Turckicised Slavs - now THAT doesn't exist in any dictionary). Sandzak has no viability as an independent state and can't be attached to other Muslim areas in Bosnia, plus there isn't any repression of Muslims in Sandzak - so I would leave it as part of Serbia. Regarding Presevo and Bujanovac, I would argue that it should remain in Serbia to compensate for all the lost Serb enclaves in Kosovo (see below)

Kosovo - The northern tip is easy to manage - the large majority being Serb. It could, however, create an psychological problem for the Albanians because the Trepca mine is located in the North (worth about 5B€) as are some large freshwater lakes which are source of most of Pristina's water. No easy solution in sight with regards to the Serb enclaves within Kosovo, nor the many hundreds of cultural and religious sites in what Serbs consider their Jerusalem... only viable solution is to hand that over to the Albanians with some sort of UNESCO protection.

Macedonia - split in two: Western Albanian and Eastern Slav Macedonian.

Would that satisfy everyone? Or just create more trouble?

Certainly wouldn't satisfy everyone, but I think that it would satisfy more people than the current situation which doesn't satisfy anyone either.

Nevermind the fact that 100,000 died in vain.

Those people died in van no matter what ultimate solution is implemented.

by vladimir on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 12:54:33 PM EST
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Well, you're not unreasonable but, I'm not convinced by answers to #4 (would this cause more trouble?).

I'd say you're probably better off waiting for the EU as currently comprised.

by Upstate NY on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 02:26:58 PM EST
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I don't believe the EU is going there. Not now. Not in 10 years. After that is another life and who knows where the power will be. There might be Chinese aircraft carriers floating off Dubrovnik.

But even if the EU prospect materialises, I unfortunately think that every national minority is just going to be waiting for their day to reclaim. Sort that out now & you'll eliminate potential sources of future cancers.

by vladimir on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 02:40:51 PM EST
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I am more or less expecting Bosnia to be EUs Puerto Rico for some time. Good place as any to develop the structures of neo-colonialism for the new state. I do not consider this to be a good thing, though I consider it likely.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Apr 8th, 2009 at 04:57:27 AM EST
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Why would you like it to be "European protectorate" any longer? Why WOULDN'T YOU TRY TO COME WITH SOLUTION?
Do you really believe that there is possibility of Bosnia where Muslims will rule and Serbs and Croats would agree with it?Don't you understand that there is no money or political promise to make it work?
Do you understand that what happened on Kosovo was only possible because there is no enough Serbs there.And after bombardment of Serbia by nothing less then NATO even that story hasn't finished yet.
You can occupy country ( Serbia was occupied for 500 years by Ottomans and it didn't make Serbian orthodoxs change in to the Islam in significant numbers to make it Turkish state) you can do what ever you want but you can hardly make LASTING state if citizens are not willing to live together.And in Bosnia they are NOT.The fact that (rotten) politicians use this fact for their own purpose will not change anything.No one except Muslims want unifying Bosnia.There would be no war if this was not a case.
by vbo on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 11:06:39 AM EST
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It seems quite clear that there are very few people in that area who have any interest in a solution. Your comments make that clearer and clearer ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 11:15:17 AM EST
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You know, if an EU protectorate will prevent or delay another round of mass murder, I'm all for it.

What I am no so sure of is that the EU diplomats actually understand Bosnia. EU15 diplomats seem to have precious little clue about the rest of the EU, let alone the bits outside it, even 5 years after the expansion to 25.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 12:14:27 PM EST
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What I am no so sure of is that the EU diplomats actually understand Bosnia.
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Not really...and they are also not interested to...
And even those of you much better informed and willing to understand are not really able to understand that mentality and history that lay behind events of today...
by vbo on Tue Apr 7th, 2009 at 09:59:05 AM EST
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