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gave the coast line to Croatia in 1943 during the 2nd AVNOJ Council in Jajce, Bosnia.

Migeru dug up what the preceding situations were back to your first map (1929, 1939 administrative changes). But your choice of the 1929 situation is arbitrary, we can go further back. In 1921-1929, there were no large regional units that could even be mistaken for national units like the 1929 version, just small oblasts. Before that, there was more or less a continuity of the territorial units of Austria-Hungary. Within that, Croatia was more or less as today along the Dalmatian Coast (while it extended further down to Belgrade along the Danube but missed Istria).

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by DoDo on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 10:16:08 AM EST
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Certainly.

You could go back even further and show that Serbia was once established on the territory of Bosnia and had control of 50% of the Dalmatian coast.

The point is that the national borders that we see today emerging from ex-Yugoslavia are those that Tito drew up in 1943.

by vladimir on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 10:25:32 AM EST
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Your point was to make the 1943 borders look unjustified, by comparing them to preceding non-national divisions.

(I note that my own view is that Tito shouldn't have re-instated national borders, and should have taken over the pre-1939 centralisation policy while stripping it of the Serb-first element, and adding more cultural autonomy.)

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by DoDo on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 10:29:31 AM EST
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From 1918 to 1929, there were 33 Oblasts in the Kingdom. They were administrative.

The map of the Banovinas that I posted represents the boundaries set up in 1929 which were effective up until 1939.

The borders established by the Cvetković-Maček Agreement were only effective as of 1939 for 2 years, up until the creation of Nazi puppet state NDH. NDH occupied what is today's Croatian plus Bosnian territories. IMHO, there is no basis to say that these frontiers (as opposed to others) should be used to compare the situations pre and post WWII.

In fact, all of these borders were of administrative nature and have no relation with the ethnic composition of the territories. If national self-determination is the goal, then maps based on ethnic composition of the population are most appropriate.

by vladimir on Tue Apr 7th, 2009 at 03:07:51 AM EST
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Serbia was once established on the territory of Bosnia and had control of 50% of the Dalmatian coast

Which Serbia and era?

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by DoDo on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 10:31:38 AM EST
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Couple of hundred years before the Turks invited themselves to the Balkans... ate all the mutton & left the pork to the local folks. That's why suckling pig is still such a hit today.


by vladimir on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 10:39:26 AM EST
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by vladimir on Mon Apr 6th, 2009 at 10:45:58 AM EST
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