"but who could readall that....we all have had unreconized progreesive friends...let us move on"

"Generally I have no patience with people who refuse to read, but since I sometimes move on before finishing a post, your point is well taken. This isn't a "Limbaugh is a Moron" diary. There are more than enough of those. However, there is major disagreement worldwide about the worth of humanitarian intervention - of sending in troops to avert or stop the worst thing in the world, a genocide.

I've enormous respect for both Havel and Wiesel (never heard of Bondevik) yet here, I think they advocate a dangerous course. Witness North Korea's missile test. Their missile flew over Japan. Reckless doesn't begin to describe it.)

And we can't move on. The issue is with us still, and in recent weeks has begun to gain immediacy in Bosnia, Sri Lanka, and Timor Leste. Two years from now, at the latest, there will be again war in Sudan. Khartoum knows it, and is already conducting a military buildup.

Someone lost their home due to this banking crisis? The Arctic ice sheet is disappearing? Polar bears are drowning? These are small potatos compared to the troubles we'll see in the developing world if sustained economic development fails to take hold in undeveloped countries and the dislocation of vast numbers of people resulting from a climactic driven loss of habitat occurs.

So what you propose is another "turning away," and that, I find, is absolutely unacceptable.

So read. There are important lessons to be learned from what happened then."