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No, I'm talking about the quasi-religious cultic fiction which hypnotises people into believing that mere belief and faith in it, and especially conformity to cult dictates and high status within the cult, can all be translated into tangible benefits.

While you're thinking like a cult member money is created by the largesse of the central banks, who guarantee - something or other.

What that something is, no one knows. But it's obvious that without state support it would be valueless. Whatever it is.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 09:17:40 PM EST
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Without the state support, my building a brick fence for the neighbour would bring me a few hens and a pig in return, instead of euros. That's all. I assure you I could get along just fine without any state "guarantee" or support or whatever. I might even sell one or two hens to get some milk and the morning paper.  

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 09:21:07 PM EST
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On the contrary, state (or whoever mint the coins) barging in on my barter world often did so in order to profit one way or the other (like by reducing the silver proportion) from my need to exchange my work's product for food or clothes.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Thu May 21st, 2009 at 09:25:17 PM EST
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Sure... As long as you don't mind not having running water, electricity, modern medicine, central heating, electronic computers, railways, cars or, in fact, any other complicated machine requiring the construction of other complicated machines to produce it.

Quoting Galbraith (my emphasis):

The modern large Western corporation and the modern apparatus of socialist planning are variant accommodations to the same need. It is open to every free-born man to dislike this accommodation. But he must direct his attack to the cause. He must not ask that jet aircraft, nuclear power plants or even the modern automobile in its modern volume be produced by firms that are subject to unfixed prices and unmanaged demand. He must ask, as just noted, that they not be produced.

More to the point, however, there will always be a state, and it will always "butt in," as you put it.

Because "the state" is really just a euphemism for "the dude in the immediate vicinity who has the biggest stick." And there will always be a dude with the biggest stick.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri May 22nd, 2009 at 04:21:01 AM EST
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The value of a fiat currency is backed by the power of the state to levy taxes on the economy. Fundamentally, the currency is backed by the need of you to cough up your taxes in that currency, or the dude with the big stick will come and take your stuff away from you.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri May 22nd, 2009 at 04:23:48 AM EST
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Also - that big stick takes tribute from other states.

Exchange rates seem to be a measure of belief in the size of the stick.

Which shouldn't entirely be a surprise, I suppose.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 22nd, 2009 at 04:27:37 AM EST
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