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That guarantee is backed by the power of the state to tax, just the same as the central bank notes.

There is no "reserve" to reimburse your 10 € notes either. That does not make them phony money.

Of course, if you have a sovereign default, then that's a different story...

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue May 19th, 2009 at 01:38:02 PM EST
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lol and lol again. YOu do realize how close sovereign default were, and still are. You can't possibly be saying that they're almost unthinkable. You would remind me of those 95% of bankers and economists gathered in Davos in early 2007 or so and sweeping away any possibility of a crisis. So yeah. You may say that it should all be backed in gold. At the end of the day, virtual remains virtual, confidence included, and that doesn't feed my family.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Tue May 19th, 2009 at 03:32:45 PM EST
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Governments CAN print money to pay debt. Of course, it leads to quasi-default in the form of inflation, but it is possible, and has been regularly done.

And it is still the most likely outcome for the US / the $ in the medium term.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue May 19th, 2009 at 03:39:46 PM EST
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Clearly. But see my post about the Chinese above somewhere.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last! (Martin Luther King)
by ValentinD (walentijn arobase free spot frança) on Tue May 19th, 2009 at 03:54:10 PM EST
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I'm not saying that sovereign default is unthinkable for peripheral economies like the UK, or banana republics like the US. But the core European and South Asian economies (Germany, France, China, India) will not be forced to default on their sovereign debt.

Regardless, however, the point was not whether a sovereign default was likely or not.

It was that a sovereign default is hard to say anything general about, because it can take so many forms: Default on guarantees (as Ireland will be forced to), default on foreign debt (as Russia and Argentina did some years ago), default on the state's obligations towards its employees (as the French state attempted with its pension reform theft plan), default on the state's obligations towards its citizens (as the Bush regime attempted with its pension reform theft plan).

Only in the rarest of cases (Zimbabwe comes to mind) does a sovereign default encompass all these. So predicting that a sovereign default will happen is usually easier than predicting precisely where it will happen.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue May 19th, 2009 at 05:12:59 PM EST
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