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What universe were these guys in if they thought that the "common view" was that sexual and extreme physical abuse did no harm?

A common excuse in Ireland is that "the cultural norms were different then".  Sure they were because the Catholic Church actively fought all those who sought to stand up for more progressive values and human rights.  It was the Church which had largely created and maintained those norms against all comers in the first place.  The Church was never a passive viction of social norms.  It arrogated to itself the right to define them.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat May 23rd, 2009 at 08:09:52 AM EST
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Precisely

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat May 23rd, 2009 at 08:32:15 AM EST
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