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The mind boggles. This is even wierder than the revelations about Nancy Reagan and astrology.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun May 24th, 2009 at 04:36:15 PM EST
What - randy old narcissist in teen bedtime romps?

Nothing if not tacky and predictable is Mr Punch.

While Burlesconi is beneath contempt, I'm finding young Ms Lucrezia Letizia at least as disturbing.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 24th, 2009 at 05:04:15 PM EST
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I don't know... She's 17. I can see how a 17-year-old girl could get into deep water when the president starts making private phone calls. Yeah, the whole private, unannounced phone calls thing should raise a bunch of little red flags. But she was 17. Most people's red flags aren't that well developed at that age.

Corruptioni, though... Now, I usually pride myself in being fairly open-minded when it comes to other people's romantic entanglements, but that man is - to use an American expression - one sick puppy.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun May 24th, 2009 at 05:12:22 PM EST
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Ms N has some interesting photos online, and has - apparently - been angling for a high profile career for quite a while.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun May 24th, 2009 at 06:20:20 PM EST
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Indeed, but it's a bit weird... I mean she's cute, even pretty, but it's not like you don't see far more beautiful women just walking down the street in Rome or Milano, any day of the week.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun May 24th, 2009 at 06:25:52 PM EST
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Yeah, but would they share a dinner table - nevermind a bed - with a creep like Corruptioni?

Besides, and at the risk of indulging in armchair psychology here, he probably wants the control that comes with finding somebody who's emotionally vulnerable and/or needs his patronage.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 03:33:01 PM EST
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Yeah, but would they share a dinner table - nevermind a bed - with a creep like Corruptioni?

At least 30 or 40 would, apparently.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 04:13:07 PM EST
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30-40?

haha, you jest forsooth....more like millions!

and they'll probably go confess it on sunday.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 10:40:28 AM EST
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Interesting farrago in the Berlusconi gossip weekly,Chi, (as well as Oggi, Novella 2000, &c) in which Noemi declares her two-year love affair with a certain Domenico Cozzolino, a brief role as a seducer in a popular TV program called Men and Women.

Noemi declares, "I gave Domenico my first kiss, and I hope that I'll do it the first time with him. Virginity is an important value. I very much believe in God and I'm a practicing Catholic."

Domenico, of course, hopes to participate in a reality show together with his life-long flame and hopes they will go to live together in Rome next fall where he will attend an actors' studio.

It's going to be fun keeping track of this forged reality.

 

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Sun May 24th, 2009 at 05:47:39 PM EST
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Isn't that special brand of Catholic hypocrisy absolutely mesmerising? I just love Italy, crazier and crazier for every year. Or rather, considering all the crazy shit 10 and 20 and 30 and 40 (and 50 and 60 and 70) yeats ago, the constant and neverending crazy, which at best (worst?) just recedes for a while, like the tide.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun May 24th, 2009 at 06:21:50 PM EST
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So Domenico Cozzolino is Ms Letizia's beard, more or less.
by Gag Halfrunt on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 07:54:15 PM EST
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Wasn't aware of that definition of beard.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 04:44:30 PM EST
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For dear Silvio, I think the phrase would be 'arm candy'.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 04:47:37 PM EST
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I very much believe in God and I'm a practicing Catholic."

Stay pure, Noemi!

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 08:06:36 PM EST
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de Gondi:
Domenico, of course, hopes to participate in a reality show

ow, ow, you're keeeling me!

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 06:44:56 PM EST
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And I find the third actor in this soap opera, this Gino Flaminio fella', just stoopid.

In B's case, I guess the scale of his lies (and the cheapness and transparency of them all) is what's special. That, and the likely financial magnitude of his divorce.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 01:29:50 AM EST
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In the article there are passages that I did not translate. Gino Flaminio had done his best to keep out of the story. It is to the credit of the reporters having found him out and convinced him to talk. He wanted nothing to do with it. I suppose he was ticked off about the false love affair with Cozzolino the Berlusconi press had invented to market Noemi as a wholesome Catholic virgin.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 02:20:48 AM EST
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I didn't mean he was stupid to turn to journalists, I meant that he comes across as a naive simpleton when describing his earlier and present thoughts about Noemi and the affair. "Miralce"? "Britney Spears"?...

Of course, that also means that unless La Repubblica helps him all the way, the poor boy could be eaten up by B's media and lawyer dogs now.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 06:55:55 AM EST
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I don't know... He's about my age, and I've thought kitchier things about my love life (such as it is and what there is of it :-P). Of course, I wouldn't in a million years repeat them to a microphone. But that probably has more to do with my attitude towards newsies and towards making my private life a matter of public record.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 02:41:47 PM EST
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Off the top of my head young Gino is well inserted in his social enviroment and has far too many witnesses on his side. It would become a Neapolitan story in which many people would attack the Letizias in fairly imaginative ways. It's the Letizias that tread rough ground here. There's no way Berlusconi can outfox Eduardo di Filippo. He's not Neapolitan.

Today the father, Elio, has proposed a new version. His wife, daughter and himself met Berlusconi in 2001 in Rome. I imagine they'll have to start producing witnesses- a fairly easy thing to do within a personal political entity of that nature.

Gino has replied that he finds the whole thing very strange: he asserts there are hundreds of people that know every detail of the story of his relation with Noemi.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 02:54:36 PM EST
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With a hat tip to Gag Halfrunt, you must refer this section from among those not translated in the diary:

La Repubblica.it - Ten questions to Berlusconi » "How `Papi' Berlusconi came into Noemi's life"

Gino Flaminio's words seem genuine, backed up by the photos, by the recollections of their friends (who have pictures of Noemi and Gino on their computer), by a few letters, by the memories of neighbors and his parents, but above all by the obstinacy with which the young man hid himself away for weeks, becoming an invisible presence in Noemi's life.
La Repubblica  tracked him down with - difficulty, much patience and a lot of luck - in the factory on Corso San Giovanni where all his fellow workmen knew Noemi and the story of Gino's lost love. Fellow workmen who - to the very end - tried to protect him. "Gino? Who is this Gino Flaminio?" while Gino hid behind a wall.

Good.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 03:45:51 AM EST
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