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Apparently, Italy is so rich that it can afford to entertain the world with a novel and highly counter-productive model of power, the sort of power that seeks only to maintain its death hold on society and government at all costs.

It occurs to me that this definition fits equally well for the USA.  Advantage Italy.  At least the power in Italy is vested in a single person of reasonably advanced age.  I never thought I would find an advantage to the USA's prurient moral obsession with and condemnation of the sex lives of the powerful, but at least it is difficult to imagine such a long running spectacle here.  Ours are far less entertaining if no less effective in holding the entire society in a death grip.  To each their own.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun May 24th, 2009 at 06:33:57 PM EST
Advantage Italy indeed, where the criminal-in-chief at least is hilarious (I guess there's no coincidence Dario Fo is Italian), while in the US the dreariness is almost Sovietesque. Worse even, the Soviet guys at least had mistresses, spiffy uniforms mainly made up of medals, and got insanely drunk at times.


Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun May 24th, 2009 at 06:40:49 PM EST
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I think the question is more complex than America's obsession with sex, their "prurient moral obsession" which nails it down perfectly. The matter goes to the core of at least two issues, the larger relation between sex and power, and the secondary issues entailed, such as honesty, coherence and transparency.

Now by Italian law Noemi is not- and was not- jail bait, such as in the Polanski case, even though it was suspected at some point. Consensual sex starts at sixteen here, rather than the U.S. eighteen. Further consensual sex between minors or between youngsters within a close age group is not considered criminal.

I recall off hand two studies on the relation between power and sex: Reich's Mass Psychology of Fascism and Gadda's Eros e Priapo. Gadda takes his libel further in that he perceives the primacy of priapism as a national zeitgeist as a disaster for the state in that it negates logos.

As for coherence, honesty and transparency in all aspects of political and institutional engagement, it's a matter of plain efficacity and open contract with the citizenry.

In the present Italian experiment, power is distributed through subservience, sex, falsehood and obscurity, rather than merit. It is forcibly incompetent. Italy is presently erected on a totemic partouze reduced to a gaggle of sycophants placed in key positions and tantalized with stereotyped female bodies, all at the service of a furybound Pornarchos.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 04:43:18 AM EST
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On a more cynical note, methinks that in the prevalence of power distribution by subservience, sex, falsehood and obscurity; forcible incompetence; sychophants in key positions, stereotyped female bodies, and pornarchos; the difference between the political class of Italy and other states is one of degree, not quality.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 07:00:54 AM EST
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That's the UK for you - we're not even good at sex scandals any more.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 04:14:31 PM EST
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I recall off hand two studies on the relation between power and sex: Reich's Mass Psychology of Fascism and Gadda's Eros e Priapo.

I read Reich's work about 40 years ago but do not recall his argument in any detail.  It is a fascinating subject and worth investigation across societies, though I did not raise it explicitly in my comment.  While the USA has its own massive disfunctions, on that subject I would have to say "Advantage USA", at least in comparison to Italy.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 02:42:55 PM EST
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On reflection, it seems that the interaction of cultural views on sexuality and morality in both Italy and the USA have worked to the advantage of the conservatives.  In Italy the "erectorate" has been rendered functionally brainless in defense of a conservative administration while in the USA "prurient sexual morality" was used to great effect by the conservatives to attack a more liberal administration.  Different strokes for different folks.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon May 25th, 2009 at 03:02:37 PM EST
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The UK has become a bizarre place. Culture is now hyper-sexualised, but it seems rather dutiful and oddly joyless.

The media talk about it endlessly, but it has the feel of a lifestyle option to be accumulated and experienced, like a good three piece suite, rather than anything livelier.

Reich should be happy. But somehow I don't think this is what he had in mind.

The US remains insane - explosively unable to cope with a nipple, but perfectly happy to turn out and view endless gun play, torture and shopping porn.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 08:19:00 AM EST
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