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Someone with a more suspicious mind than mine might wonder if there isn't something Rovian about concentrating on relatively minor fraud, such as Commons Expenses, while ignoring the much bigger frauds which inflated the bubble.

MPs won't be too keen on asking hard questions after this.

Meanwhile you have to admit, it takes a certain kind of chutzpah to intimidate an entire government.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 01:22:13 PM EST
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well you never know the next election might result in an intake of honest politicians.....

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 01:41:37 PM EST
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Let's hope so.

But I'm not holding my breath.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 02:48:09 PM EST
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... a bit of humor in the middle of such a discussion is good for breaking the tension.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 03:00:15 PM EST
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... definition, "An honest politician is one who stays bought once you buy him. A dishonest politician can only be rented."


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 03:01:19 PM EST
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ceebs:
well you never know the next election might result in an intake of honest politicians.....

More likely an intake of cowed politicians who will think twice before taking on the Telegraph or the financial establishment.

Just as the political class was gearing itself up to properly regulate and control the financial/business class its own credibility and public standing is mysteriously undermined.

Now why would that be?

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed May 27th, 2009 at 05:04:19 AM EST
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You're far too cynical.

No - wait - actually, you're not.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 27th, 2009 at 06:27:32 AM EST
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Dizzy Thinks: +++ Telegraph Group takes down Dorries blog +++
Some interesting developments have happened overnight. Nadine Dorries has seen the blog part of her website instantly taken down after she made allegations against the owners of the Telegraph Group, Sir David Barclay and Sir Frederick Barclay.

Lawyers acting for the Barclay brothers, Withers, instructed the takedown carried out by Acidity via mail to Coreix last night, citing the Acceptable User Policy. The takedown will be bolstered by the Godfrey vs Demon precendent, where an order can be made and it will be done instantly.

<snip>

Update II: Interesting to note that the day after Nadine makes allegations that the Telegraph has a hidden proprietor driven agenda to drive votes to UKIP (I repeat this is an allegation not a proven truth), her blog gets taken down by lawyers and then this morning's Telegraph carries not only more expenses scandals but a gushing piece about UKIP.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 27th, 2009 at 01:00:53 PM EST
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Hopefully she has backups. At the very least, one would hope that she could get access to her own data, even if she cannot broadcast it.

After that, as the British Society of Homeopaths learned to their discomfort, it's two or three e-mails away from being up on half a dozen foreign sites.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed May 27th, 2009 at 06:12:17 PM EST
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Well looking at the comments there, a variety of people saved it out of googles cache, if its not still available there it will be somewhere soon.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 27th, 2009 at 08:12:47 PM EST
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That's something where somebody could really do the world a favour: Setting up a caching function like the Google cache, on servers in three or four different jurisdictions.

Because the first thing I'd do if I were going to tighten the ability of Bad People to retroactively censor the internet would be to sic Stasi 2.0 on Google to make them stop showing their cache to the general public. And I don't trust Google not to fold - they have too big commercial interests at stake, and their policy on legal threats, like bogus copywrong claims from IFPI, has been "better safe than sorry."

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu May 28th, 2009 at 03:23:41 AM EST
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well theres always the internet archive and other search engines, but not all enable cache access, and most are still US based, so are capable of having the same government put pressure on them.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu May 28th, 2009 at 09:00:41 AM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
Someone with a more suspicious mind than mine might wonder if there isn't something Rovian about concentrating on relatively minor fraud, such as Commons Expenses, while ignoring the much bigger frauds which inflated the bubble.

bingo! i've smelt this since it started.

ow, ow, ow, look at the sore toe!

(said the headless man...)

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue May 26th, 2009 at 07:28:44 PM EST
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while not quantifying how much suspicion one mind can encapsulate (without exploding), this reeks of damage limitation.

and if this is the limitation, it boggles the mind how much damage there is that we're being kept in the dark and fed horseshit about.

consumer confidence cannot be allowed to fail...

(got to let us down as gently as possible, given the circumstances)

the sheer pettiness of some of the sums was a clue too, by the law of inverse spin, that means they don't dare begin to really quantify the tsunami coming.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 1st, 2009 at 07:10:36 PM EST
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This spring we have seen in Sweden: One scandal about huge bonuses in banks (while crying out for the state to save them), followed by a scandal about bonuses state-owned companies as the current government decided last summer that bonuses were great, evolving to a scandal about unioun leaders - despite seats on company boards - not doing enough to stop bonuses. Last phase lasted longest.

And then these last weeks there were revelations about union waste and spending just days before the company leaders published a statement about the need to lower salaries. Except for their own of course.

I think it is very deliberate timing.

Of course, if the union leaders in question had not used those board seats to line their pockets or not had been wasting their members on themselves they would have been in a stronger position. Who knew that luxury had a downside?

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 at 10:51:28 AM EST
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