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Although it belongs to "rare earth metals," neodymium is not rare at all. It constitutes 38 ppm of the Earth's crust.

I'm pretty sure it's not one tonne per turbine

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon May 4th, 2009 at 04:22:59 PM EST
Jerome a Paris:
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Although it belongs to "rare earth metals," neodymium is not rare at all. It constitutes 38 ppm of the Earth's crust.

I'm pretty sure it's not one tonne per turbine

Maybe not.  But the Wikipedia article omits a point that is made in the Atlantic article:

Rare earths are actually fairly common. What's rare is finding deposits that can be mined profitably, in part because most contain radioactive thorium.  Relatively speaking, Mountain Pass--whose rare-earth deposits were discovered in 1949--is not too radioactive, and through the 1950s the ore was mostly used to make flints for lighters. <...>

... in the early 1990s, cheaper Chinese rare earths began eating into the mine's market share. <...> As Chinese ore came onto the market, the price fell from $11,700 a ton in 1992 to $7,430 a ton by 1996 (in constant dollars). <...>

Mountain Pass couldn't compete on price alone--especially given the mine's growing ecological costs. In 1998, chemical processing at the mine was stopped after a series of wastewater leaks. Hundreds of thousands of gallons of water carrying radioactive waste spilled into and around Ivanpah Dry Lake. ...

Still, the CEO of Molycorp, which owns the Mountain Pass mine in California, which it claims to have cleaned up and made environmentally safe now, is optimistic:

... Smith's effort to turn Mountain Pass into an environmentally friendly producer--call it the Whole Foods of premium free-range sustainable neodymium--comes with costs his Chinese competitors don't have to pay: for starters, $2.4 million a year on environmental monitoring and compliance. Will carmakers really be willing to pay more for local minerals and homegrown magnets? "Absolutely," Smith says, noting that the mine's historic customers in the U.S. and Japan have given their assurances.


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by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon May 4th, 2009 at 10:47:23 PM EST
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Another relevant fact from the wiki article:

Neodymium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Neodymium is never found in nature as the free element; rather, it occurs in ores such as monazite sand ((Ce,La,Th,Nd,Y)PO4) and bastnäsite ((Ce,La,Th,Nd,Y)(CO3)F) that contain small amounts of all the rare earth metals. Neodymium can also be found in Misch metal; it is difficult to separate it from other rare earth elements.
The problem with rare earth metals is that they are all chemically very similar.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 04:13:49 AM EST
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marco:
Jerome a Paris:
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Although it belongs to "rare earth metals," neodymium is not rare at all. It constitutes 38 ppm of the Earth's crust.

I'm pretty sure it's not one tonne per turbine

Maybe not.

But the point is a valid answer to your question in the diary:
is there enough outside of China to sustain a continued expansion of industry that is dependent on neodymium
You quote
Relatively speaking, Mountain Pass--whose rare-earth deposits were discovered in 1949--is not too radioactive, and through the 1950s the ore was mostly used to make flints for lighters. <...>

... in the early 1990s, cheaper Chinese rare earths began eating into the mine's market share. <...> As Chinese ore came onto the market, the price fell from $11,700 a ton in 1992 to $7,430 a ton by 1996 (in constant dollars). <...>

Mountain Pass couldn't compete on price alone--especially given the mine's growing ecological costs. In 1998, chemical processing at the mine was stopped after a series of wastewater leaks. Hundreds of thousands of gallons of water carrying radioactive waste spilled into and around Ivanpah Dry Lake. ...

two questions spring to mind. One, what is the environmental impact of Chinese neodymium ore? Second, is dependence on Chinese ore only a consequence of the lower price (probably entirely due to labor and envoronmental costs in the West)?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 04:42:36 AM EST
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I have no idea, as I don't know what the mining process of Nd entails and how widespread it is.

On the second, probably not because there was already Nd mining before China began to expand Nd mining, increasing supply. But those lower prices, due to Chinese mining, do put a stop on Nd mining elsewhere. The mines listed in the diary above are currently not on-line because their current ore model is simply not profitable, partly because of environmental and labour regulations, but I wouldn't be surprised if the grade of the ore is lower as well.

But by all of this, I'd guess that building more wind turbines (if they really need that much Nd) would only stimulate industry elsewhere around the world.

by Nomad on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 05:14:10 AM EST
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Presumably the process involves Mischmetal processing:
Historically, mischmetal was prepared from monazite, an anhydrous phosphate of the light lanthanides and thorium. The ore was "cracked" by reaction at high temperature either with concentrated sulfuric acid, or with sodium hydroxide. Thorium was removed by taking advantage of its weaker basicity relative to the trivalent lanthanides, the radioactive radium isotope daughter products of thorium were precipitated out using entrainment in barium sulfate, and the remaining lanthanides were converted to the chloride. The resulting "Rare Earth Chloride" (Hexahydrate), sometimes known as "Lanthanide Chloride", was the major commodity chemical of the rare earth industry. By careful heating, preferably with ammonium chloride or in an atmosphere of hydrogen chloride, the hexahydrate could be dehydrated to provide the anhydrous chloride. Electrolysis of the molten anhydrous chloride (admixed with other anhydrous halide to improve the melt behavior) led to the formation of molten Mischmetal, which would then be cast into ingots. Any samarium content of the ore tended not to be reduced to the metal, but accumulated in the molten halide, from which it could later be profitably isolated. Monazite-derived Mischmetal typically was about 48% cerium, 25% lanthanum, 17% neodymium, and 5% praseodymium, with the balance being the other lanthanides. When bastnaesite started being processed for rare earth content in about 1965, it too was converted to a version of rare earth chloride, and on to Mischmetal. This version was higher in lanthanum and lower in neodymium.

Currently (2007), the high demand for neodymium has made it profitable to remove all of the heavier lanthanides and neodymium (and sometimes all of the praseodymium as well) from the natural-abundance lanthanide mixture for separate sale, and to include only La-Ce-Pr or La-Ce in the most economical forms of Mischmetal. The light lanthanides are so similar in their metallurgical properties, that any application for which the original composition would have been suitable, would be equally well served by these truncated mixtures. The traditional "Rare Earth Chloride", as a commodity chemical, was also used to extract the individual rare earths by companies that did not wish to process the ores directly. Mischmetal is typically priced at less than 10 dollars per kilogram, and the underlying rare earth chloride mixtures are typically less than 5 dollars per kilogram (as of 2007).



Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 05:21:06 AM EST
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From French Chemical Society, edited by myself after a google translation to clear things up.

Rhône-Poulenc process of separation: Rhone-Poulenc, is the world No 1 rare earth producer, Rare earths are separated using a continuous separation process by extraction with solvents.

Solubilization: in the Rhone-Poulenc plant in La Rochelle (17), monazite (or any other rare earth minerals), after grinding, is attacked by soda (NaOH)to 60% by mass to 180 ° C, autoclave for about 3 hours. The formed Trisodium phosphate (Na3PO4) solution is removed with hot water.  Hydroxides of rare earths and thorium, after filtration and washing are dissolved in nitric acid.

Step 2: Rare earth separation / thorium-uranium / impurities: by liquid-liquid separation units.
Thorium nitrate (99.9%) and uranium nitrate are produced at this stage. Effluents are radioactive and are treated and the residues are stored. Until 1991, these wastes, low-level radioactive, were stored on the ANDRA La Hague site (for France) near the plant for the reprocessing of spent fuel at La Hague (see Uranium). Since this site is now saturated they are now stored temporarily in Cadarache.
Faced with the difficulties in storing such waste, Rhone-Poulenc decided to change its supply of ore. Instead of monazite imported from Australia, since late 1994, the ore used (bastnasite) is pretreated at the place of extraction (Bayun Oba, China and Mountain Pass, United States) before extraction of rare earths to La Rochelle.

Step 3 Separation of rare earths: again with solvent extraction units, lanthanum (at 99,995% purity) is extracted, and cerium (99.5%), the DIDYME (Nd-Pr alloy composed of Pr and 98% to 95% Nd) [note: the very names for Pr and Nd comes from ancient greek "twins" (dyme), illustrating the difficulties in separating them. Indeed, they were considered at first as only one element], samarium / europium (separated into 98% Sm and Eu 99.99%), the gadolinium / Terbium (separate then 99.99% Gd and Tb in 99.9%), and all other rare earths, yttrium is obtained, after extraction, 99.99%.

During the various extractions, many types of solvents are used: acid di (2-ethylhexyl) phosphate, tri (n-butyl) phosphate, quaternary ammonium salts, carboxylic acids ... In the factory of La Rochelle, more than 1 500 steps of mixer-settlers treatment are used.

Rare earths are separated delivered in the form of oxides or salts, the purity is, in general, expressed in mass compared to other rare earths, regardless of any other impurities present.

Step 4: Metals and especially neodymium, yttrium and terbium, are prepared by calciothermie to over 1 000 ° C, from the fluoride in the case of neodymium according to the reaction:

2NdF3 + 3 Ca ---> 2Nd + 3CaF2

These operations are metallurgical, Rhône-Poulenc, conducted in the United States, Phoenix (Arizona)

General info:Purification/extraction process is long and costly. Difficulties will increase with radioactive ore content, and decrease if the use can make fit of low purity alloys.

There is an obvious pro-Rhône Poulenc spin in this text, but I don't think it will affect the general information about extraction steps.

A free fox in a free henhouse!

by Xavier in Paris on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 09:16:38 AM EST
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Note that there are efforts underway, primarily in India, to make thorium valuable by switching the nuclear industry to a thorium fuel cycle.

So the mingling with thorium is not necessarily a drawback. More deposits become economically recoverable with co-extraction.

Pierre

by Pierre on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 04:43:03 AM EST
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Plus, if the Thorium becomes a useful byproduct, the amount of radioactive waste water from metal extraction is greatly reduced.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 04:44:14 AM EST
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Neodymium is not currently used in generators for the majority of wind turbines, though the process is beginning.  The vast majority of turbines use doubly-fed induction generators using both traditional and innovative copper wiring.

Neodymium is often used in gearless and hybrid turbines, particularly in the Chinese market through Goldwind's acquisition of 70% of German design firm Vensys.  The Multibrid offshore turbine uses a permanent magnet generator, not certain if neodymium is used.

Most standard configuration turbines do not use permanent magnet generators at all.  An exception is the Clipper 2.5 MW turbine, where the main shaft is split into four load paths to four smaller permanent magnet generators.  Again, unclear if neodymium is used.

it is clear that one growing design trend in the industry is the use of permanent magnet generators, thus there will likely be more use of neodymium in the future.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 01:28:07 AM EST
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It would seem that Margonelli exaggerates, if not misleads, in her characterization of neodymium, at least with respect to the current state of things:

neodymium, the pixie dust of green tech -- necessary for the lightweight permanent magnets that make Prius motors zoom and for the generators that give wind turbines their electrical buzz.

-- the word in contention being "necessary".  (See Migeru's comment below.)

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by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 09:43:37 AM EST
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The point here is not how much neodymium there is, but the rate at which it can be extracted.

A bit like oil - you should be familiar with the 'peak neodymium' argument.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 04:25:18 AM EST
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Maybe it's one tonne of neodymium ore per turbine... At 38ppm, that would be 38g per turbine. Of course, 'ore' is by definition richer than the average of the Earth's crust.

Anyway, at 7.4-7.5 g/cm3, a tonne of Nd2Fe14B would have the volume of a 70-cm sphere which doesn't look all that big, especially relative to a gearbox.

We're talking about a magnet capable of generating power in the Megawatt range by turning in the 1-Hertz range...

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 5th, 2009 at 04:37:32 AM EST
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