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Mostly due to the much lower costs of observation and experimentation, there is much more empirical academic research to back up the theories of economists than there is for the theories of physicists

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by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 12th, 2009 at 12:05:47 PM EST
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You got me.  It's an assertion, not something I've looked up. It would be an interesting research question for a kid's masters thesis, however.
by santiago on Fri Jun 12th, 2009 at 02:12:34 PM EST
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When I took some courses in economic history, the professors were quite snarky towards the nationalekonomi department. Like "and in this time period, we can observe that A happens, then B, then C. But if you take those other professors classes you will learn that that can never happen".

Between that and hearing some of the acceptance speaches when the Riksbankens economic price in memorial of Nobel - "then the theory made sit up and pay attention, the thoey, the theory, the theory" (hardly ever is empirical data mentioned, in contrast with the physics and chemistry speaches) - I am suspecting that observation plays at most a minor part in formulating economical theories. At least in the neoliberal economics that dominate here.

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by A swedish kind of death on Fri Jun 12th, 2009 at 04:14:01 PM EST
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The problem is that in economics, econometrics is considered "too applied" to get the glory of a Nobel.  But most economic research that gets published, as well as that in the applied economics fields of management, public policy, and political economy, is actually empirical research where the question is, "theory says X, so what do the data say?"
by santiago on Sat Jun 13th, 2009 at 02:49:09 AM EST
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Bah, mathematics is too "pure" to get a Nobel either.

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$E(X_t|F_s) = X_s,\quad t > s$
by martingale on Sat Jun 13th, 2009 at 05:28:21 AM EST
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The problem is that in economics, econometrics is considered "too applied" to get the glory of a Nobel.

You know, in physics you can't get a Nobel prize for theory unless the theory has been confirmed experimentally. Which is why 't Hooft and Veltman had to wait nearly 30 years for theirs, for instance.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 13th, 2009 at 05:33:44 AM EST
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The same is true for the economics Nobel.  But experimental evidence is more problematic, generally, for the reasons given in the present discussion.
by santiago on Sat Jun 13th, 2009 at 03:06:38 PM EST
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But most economic research that gets published, as well as that in the applied economics fields of management, public policy, and political economy, is actually empirical research where the question is, "theory says X, so what do the data say?"

Right.

NYTimes.com: Economists question dominance of free-market ideas (July 11, 2007)

"There is much too much ideology," said Alan Blinder, a professor at Princeton and a former vice chairman of the Federal Reserve Board. Economics, he added, is "often a triumph of theory over fact."

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And free trade is not the only sacred subject, Blinder and other like-minded economists say. Most efforts to intervene in the markets - like setting a minimum wage, instituting industrial policy or regulating prices - are viewed askance by mainstream economists, as are analyses that do not rely on mathematical modeling.

That attitude, the critics argue, has seriously harmed the discipline, suppressing original, creative thinking and distorting policy debates.



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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 13th, 2009 at 05:45:24 AM EST
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There is also the fact that mathematical modeling is typically based on assumptions about markets and about human behavior that are obviously and patently false.

Perfect information?  Rational maximizers?  Give me a break.

They're modeling a system of ideal fluids, and then looking to see how well the actual fluids match up to the ideal, instead of making any attempt to model or understand the reality.

by Zwackus on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 05:37:30 PM EST
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Ideal fluids? They're doing comparative statics.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 05:43:02 PM EST
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