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Interesting, because the two forms you have to fill in for France (can be downloaded from the Interior Ministry page linked above), only differ in adding (to the European one) a declaration that you are not registered to vote in another member state for the European elections.

Why that form is not sufficient for both European and municipal elections beats me.

But apparently other long-term residents came up against a similar problem in Ireland as I did here. Thanks for the tip-off, det.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 07:24:04 AM EST
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For municipal elections, neither Spain nor the UK asked me whether I was registered to vote in another member state.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 07:30:16 AM EST
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Apparently you can vote twice in municipals... (wtf?) At least, the declaration you are not registered to vote elsewhere only applies to the European.

But this does not change the fact that one form (and one register) would be sufficient for the two elections.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 07:32:30 AM EST
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Well, I have voted twice in municipal elections. But in Spain you have to file a special request if you're registered as voting from abroad and want to vote in the municipal elections in the last Spanish municipality where you were registered.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 07:36:04 AM EST
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a declaration that you are not registered to vote in another member state for the European elections.

So Hungarian legislation is not the only one assuming similar election rules in other countries.

(In this case: not all countries require registration from citizens, some maintain you on voter lists by default. So, if I had gained residence in France, I could fill out this form, vote in France; then fla to Budapest in the certain knowledge that French authorities have not informed their Hungarian counterparts and thus I am still on the voter rolls there too, and vote a second time...)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 08:04:53 AM EST
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Yes, if you are prepared to lie on an official declaration form...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 09:04:18 AM EST
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? No lie included.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 11:32:48 AM EST
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Yes, since the French form makes you sign a declaration that you are not registered for the EP elections in another MS.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 11:35:30 AM EST
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There are two possibilities.

A) The Hungarian citizen X in France, like myself, sees a difference between "being registered" and "being listed" -- and signs the declaration in good faith that s/he is indeed not registered anywhere but in France.

B) Assuming that being registered and listed means the same, the Hungarian citizen X faces an impossible hurdle: to delete him/her from their lists, the Hungarian authorities wait for a confirmation from their French colleagues that X signed a declaration about voting there; while the declaration French authorities want him to sign is that he was already removed from the lists in Hungary...

Or, C), the rules are improperly defined in both of our sources.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 12:39:14 PM EST
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Well, this is becoming a bit of a PN, but I don't distinguish, in what I've written, between "register", "list", "roll". It's a list of persons entitled to vote.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 12th, 2009 at 12:24:44 PM EST
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In that case, B applies.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jun 12th, 2009 at 01:10:56 PM EST
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I think it's an EU rule for the European elections. The same rule doesn't appear to exist for municipal.

This is still not a reason for separate registration on separate registers.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 09:16:39 AM EST
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Spain also doesn't require voter registration, but draws an electoral census from the list of people registered as residents with each municipality.  Voter rolls are published for a short period ahead of each election for people to check and submit amendments if necessary.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 12:47:55 PM EST
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It appears that even complying with the letter of the law was not sufficient
Madam, - I sympathise with the six non-Irish EU citizens who were denied a vote in the European election (June 10th). Like your correspondents I too am an EU citizen living here for many years. However, I was aware of the new regulation which requires you to submit a declaration that you will not be voting simultaneously in your home country. I had the necessary forms completed and stamped in my local Garda station and sent to the Register of Electors well before the required date.

My treatment at the polling centre was very similar to that of my fellow EU citizens: profuse apologies from the staff but my name was followed by an L for "local only" on their list and I was consequently restricted to a vote in the local elections.

Although furious at the time, I assumed it was isolated incident. My paranoia does not extend so far as to suspect a systematic disenfranchisement campaign; however, it would be comforting to know if there is an EU citizen out there, not from the southern part of this island, who was actually granted the vote to which they are entitled. - Yours, etc,

by det on Fri Jun 12th, 2009 at 04:56:10 PM EST
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