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If you walk out in front of oncoming traffic, I think that's a bit more mad.  Just my opinion of course.  I mean, the traffic lights for pedestrians are there for the same reasons they are there for cars.  So you don't get mowed down and end up in a bloody mess in the middle of a busy intersection at rush hour.  Of course, you can debate the effectiveness of trying to criminalize stupidity.  Is the threat of a fine interfering with natural selection? Hm...

Pedestrians have the right of way absent a traffic light.  But that doesn't stop people in cars from running them over.  


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 04:56:29 PM EST
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I don't advocate playing russian roulette with the traffic. But equally placing too much emphasis on the rights of the car becomes bad policy for all other road users.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 05:03:42 PM EST
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I think you've misunderstood how traffic works.  The cars have to stop at the red light.  Then pedestrians can cross on foot.  Then pedestrians have to stop, and the cars can cross.  Seems egalitarian to me.  How does this place too much emphasis on the rights of the car?  

Not having sidewalks and bike-lanes places too much emphasis on the rights of the car.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 05:12:22 PM EST
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Not so in Dutchland, the Mecca of bicycles: when a car hits a bicycle here, the driver of the car is guilty. Period.

And it gets better: Even when the cyclist throws its bike underneath a car on purpose, the car driver is guilty.

That's putting the rights of the car in its right perspective, if you'd ask me...

by Nomad on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 08:14:21 AM EST
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I'm not sure about bikers, but in any accident in France between a car and a pedestrian, the car driver will bear full responsibility, whatever the circumstances (even if the pedestria ncorsses on a red light).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 08:58:55 AM EST
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I think in America if you have a good enough lawyer you can get away with just about anything.  That said, there are actually laws against running people over with a car here.  I know, shocking.  Of course we will never be a civilized as Europe.  But of the nearly infinite injustices and dangers and let's face it, horrors endemic to American culture, "crossing a street" is not really at the top of that list.              

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 12:33:46 PM EST
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really understand what you want to say here:

I know, shocking. Of course we will never be a civilized as Europe. But of the nearly infinite injustices and dangers and let's face it, horrors endemic to American culture, "crossing a street" is not really at the top of that list.

I wasn't trying to show you the length of the Dutch penis, or measuring it up to "American culture", never mind make a judgement call in comparison to other problems. Just passing on information from this side of town...

by Nomad on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 at 12:39:20 AM EST
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